Auto or maunal??

[evanstaniland]

if building a comp truck with dual transfers would it be better to go auto or manual or does it just come down to personal choice.
as i like driving manual but i know that auto is better for crawling

but when looking it seems as tho you could get a lower crawl ratio with a manual or is it just me not reading properly

GU 3.0 turbo diesel manual with STD transfer case ratios
1st Gear Ratio 4.262:1
Low Range Ratio 2.02:1
Diff Ratio 4.375:1
Final Drive Ratio 37.66:1

GU 3.0 turbo diesel auto with STD transfer case ratios
1st Gear Ratio 2.784:1
Low Range Ratio 2.02:1
Diff Ratio 4.375:1
Final Drive Ratio 24.6:1

and yes looking at nissan running gear!

Evan...

[jessie928]

there really isnt a chioce

go auto, gives you a free arm, a free leg and easyer point and shoot driving

Jes

[jessie928]

oh and then there is the torque multiplication factor of the auto aswell

[-Scott-]

I don't think too many people with dual transfers are that concerned about getting first-low-low slow enough.

Go the auto.

Scott

[hilux_bondy_007]

if u go auto ur not a driver all u are is a steerer... not a driver. so manaul no matter wat

[roverlux]

IMHO auto is cool. better off road. full manual valve body with B&M or hurst shifter. you can bang up/down the gears quick as withour losing momentum by depressing clutch and changing gear. i have manual hilux and it blows A$$! I want a 700R4!

Joe.

[toyrex]

Go manual
Auto is for interlectualy impared people that lack the ability with there hand foot coordination

Adrian

[6.5 rangie]

How come the auto replies are good and informative, whereas the manual drivers are not.
Go the auto for ease of driving

[v840]

Driven alot of rock (no comps though) using auto and manual boxes. Auto wins hands down. Easier to control the throttle, dont have to worry about gear changing in a precarious position, torque multiplication, no more burning clutch smell, the list goes on.
IMO auto wins hands down. The only time a manual is better is on a steep decline but low gearing and sparing use of the brakes can overcome this anyway.
Everything I have driven with an auto I have also driven in a manual for all those who think auto drivers cant drive but the auto provides an easier, more enjoyable experience.
JMO

[-Scott-]

if u go auto ur not a driver all u are is a steerer... not a driver. so manaul no matter wat

Learn to type. You have a full sized keyboard, so you don't need to use these stupid SMS style shorthand abbreviations which only make your posts more difficult to read on a full size screen.

Learn to capitalise properly, and perhaps research punctuation.

Learn to spell - "manaul" and "wat"?

Then do some research into the pros and cons of using automatic transmissions for serious offroad driving, and come back and provide sensible, rational arguments supporting your otherwise inane assertions based on too many years following the "ricer" scene.

My 2c.

Scott

[-Scott-]

Go manual
Auto is for interlectualy impared people that lack the ability with there hand foot coordination

Adrian

People who live in glass houses.

intellectually

impaired

their

And it's got nothing to do with hand-foot coordination.

Scott

[swamp]

IMO auto is easier to drive in hard situations, inclines probably the area where they really shine.
Where a manual is so much better is fast loose tight gravel,more rally car stuff.But so much more fun than an auto.

[evanstaniland]

so if its going ot be mainly built for comping but will also be used for daily driver (untill i can afford a street car) it would be best going auto!!

evan..

[chunderlicious]

For mud and loose flat dirt...... manual as its more fun to do donut in a manual with it bouncing off the limiter.
auto is better for everything else. i prefer manual as it gives me something to do while im driving (i think i have A.D.D.) but i know auto will be better

[-Mick-]

@ scott

Auto without question for serious technical driving. FAR more control. For a daily driver and tourer I prefer a manual but even then an auto is probably better......... its just a preference

Autos do sap a bit of power but unlikely to be a real issue in front of a decent turbo diesel........ I'm sure the 3.0 would be ok.

[evanstaniland]

it will most likely be behind a commador V6 or V8!!
what do you mean by sap power??

Evan..

[-Mick-]

I simply mean you can't dump the clutch and lose a little bit of responsiveness Would not be an issue behind a v8 etc because there's plenty of torque there to compensate.

Its only a problem in cars like mine with a little petrol engine that would struggle enough behind a manual.......... every little bit helps and the auto hurts it. Commy 6 or v8 no worries at all, you'll be good

You do probably lose a bit more outright horsepower through an auto than a manual too but again if you've got enough there you'll never know the difference. Say if you lose an extra 10 hp what do you care if you've got 150 or 200 hp total. My car has less than 100 hp to start so I really miss that extra 10 hp............ hope I made sense

[evanstaniland]

yea thanks i understood that...i think

Evan..

[sudso]

I think the answer is conclusive

Dont the majority of comp guys use auto's these days and the rest are swinging that way?

[Loanrangie]

Go manual
Auto is for interlectualy impared people that lack the ability with there hand foot coordination

Adrian

People who live in glass houses.

intellectually

impaired

their

And it's got nothing to do with hand-foot coordination.

Scott

Ha , i was thinking the same, i think he needs an auto so the other hand can spell for him

[MQ080]

I take it you want to do hard stuff? Then you need anything that will give you more control... auto is the go!

[ozy1]

okay, my point of view,

i have 2 GQ's, one is a 4.2L Turbo Diesel manual LWB, and is a 4.2L petrol auto SWB, bot have lockers and rockhoppers, and since stretching the SWB the whell bases arnt that much different,

now, the auto is my comptruck, i do enjoy the manual for all driving, off road it is fine, it climbs really well, and drives excellent,

but the auto wins off road,

there are times where you want to nudge a ledge and put the front wheel over slowly, once the clutch is out, that is it, you need to keep it from stalling, but with the auto, you can use both feet to crawl it over at a tenth of the speed of the manual,

if your stuck in mud, and you need to select reverse, theres possibility of water entering the clutch and it will shit its self, some comps have mud, so its another thing to think about,

[fnqcairns]

A manual will behave as well as and better than an auto if one has taken the time to learn driving techniques like heel n toe. Two feet but three pedals ends up instinctively as if there is only two pedals but the car is controlled 3 ways, in the right hands the control can become finite almost.

A person actually has more control with this technique than in any auto as the cars becomes not just a go or slow affair but can be ridden entirely for the want of a better way to say it.
It's worth the possible burnt clutches and constant stalling to try and master it. I never mastered it but I learnt it years ago and it is fun. Tried to do it a couple of weeks ago on some rocky patches in the GQ - all I can say is the ability is easier to lose than learn.
But for the average person who will drive comp (or anything 4wd) with around the same skill set they learnt in the burbs an auto is probably the go.

cheers fnq

[bogged]

Auto by light years.

[jessie928]

A manual will behave as well as and better than an auto if one has taken the time to learn driving techniques like heel n toe. Two feet but three pedals ends up instinctively as if there is only two pedals but the car is controlled 3 ways, in the right hands the control can become finite almost.

A person actually has more control with this technique than in any auto as the cars becomes not just a go or slow affair but can be ridden entirely for the want of a better way to say it.
It's worth the possible burnt clutches and constant stalling to try and master it. I never mastered it but I learnt it years ago and it is fun. Tried to do it a couple of weeks ago on some rocky patches in the GQ - all I can say is the ability is easier to lose than learn.
But for the average person who will drive comp (or anything 4wd) with around the same skill set they learnt in the burbs an auto is probably the go.



cheers fnq

Dude, this is not a racetrack? heel and toe is worth jack all if you are climbing and crawling, or negotiating tight obstacles on a steep incline. because the more heel and toe you use to slip the clutch the more smoke will be bellowing out from your belbousing.

no matter how good you are at heel and toe in a 4wd, you need to slip the clutch, and slipping the clutch is BAD.


Jes

[fnqcairns]

Nah it's a skill and you mentioned another application I can still do that OK-ish, a good analogy is trials bikes where those with the skill will chose a manual clutch and consider the centrifugal clutch bikes a bit of a joke.

Never learn it, never know, someone with the skill will not be much harder on the clutch, a learner will be until they know what they are doing.

As I more or less said above for those that use the same skill set parking in a tight spot at the shopping centre or going over speed bumps the auto is the way to go, this now includes me as I just don't have the interest to relearn the technique to the level needed.
The fact there is a clutch in the picture increases the cars ability way above an auto.....with the right driver and technique.

cheers fnq

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The fact there is a clutch in the picture increases the cars ability way above an auto.....with the right driver and technique.

[jessie928]

bogged, i cant beleive i am saying this but

" well put"


dude, have you ANY idea just exactly HOW LOW the gearing is a trials bike is?? if you did , you would not even begin to compare a featherweight bike to 2tonne 4WD's in similar terrain.


I call bullshit aswell


Jes

[chimpboy]

Nah it's a skill and you mentioned another application I can still do that OK-ish, a good analogy is trials bikes where those with the skill will chose a manual clutch and consider the centrifugal clutch bikes a bit of a joke.

That's really not the same thing.

The main reasons to go for a manual over an auto would be:

(a) better engine braking
(b) better fuel economy
(c) better gearing

But if you are installing dual transfer cases you will go a fair way towards dealing with (a) and (c), and (b) is a relatively minor issue in that you'll be chewing through lots of juice either way, most likely.

Then there's the disadvantage with a manual of losing all power during gear changes, which in some situations could be a big issue. Effectively with a manual in those situations you just have to stick to whatever gear you're in.

I say all this as someone who drives, and generally prefers, a manual transmission!

Jason

[N*A*M]

i heart manual. but auto seems to be the way these days.