holden v6 question?

Post by **jugger** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:49 am

Is the rodeo , & jackaroo V6 the same as the commodore V6 . andif so would it be better to fit the rodeo or jackaroo one for the 4x4 programomg of the ecu?

Post by **cloughy** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:17 pm

jugger wrote:Is the rodeo , & jackaroo V6 the same as the commodore V6 . andif so would it be better to fit the rodeo or jackaroo one for the 4x4 programomg of the ecu?

No

Post by **jugger** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:46 pm

cloughy wrote:
jugger wrote:Is the rodeo , & jackaroo V6 the same as the commodore V6 . andif so would it be better to fit the rodeo or jackaroo one for the 4x4 programomg of the ecu?
No

cool thanks.

Post by **mkpatrol** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:02 pm

jugger wrote:Is the rodeo , & jackaroo V6 the same as the commodore V6 . andif so would it be better to fit the rodeo or jackaroo one for the 4x4 programomg of the ecu?

The Commodore V6 (before VZ) is a cast iron head/block overhead valve unit sourced from Buick & is about 50 years old (excapt for the injection system).

The Rodeo/Jackaroo is a Japanese designed/Tiawanese built double overhead cam, alloy heads, cast iron block engine with a smaller capacity.

As far as V6's go I prefer the Commo V6 fo tourque, they produce their power lower in the rev range and tend to have better fuel economy than the Rodeo/Jackaroo but the latter is far more reliable and has good top end power. Advantage of the Commo V6 is the parts are relatively cheap (I rebuilt a power steering pump for 13.90 on the weekend) and conversion kits are readily available, the other V6 has its ECM mounted on the inlet manifold (except Frontera) which can cut down on wiring issues for a conversion.

What are you putting it in?

I was looking into modifying the ECM on my brother in laws Frontera but it was going to be costly & they had not played with them so it was going to become a bit of an experiment. I am sure there ar people out the tha tplay with them but he lost interest & we have left it alone. Mods for Commodore computers are like a#rseholes, everyones got one.

Post by **jugger** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:23 pm

one more question do u just plug the hilux speedo cable in or is there a special comversion thingame whatsit for it as im on the road to a v6 tyrbo400 convo in a few months.

Post by **mkpatrol** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:27 pm

jugger wrote:one more question do u just plug the hilux speedo cable in or is there a special comversion thingame whatsit for it as im on the road to a v6 tyrbo400 convo in a few months.

Marks 4X4 adaptors do a calibrated adaptor for what you are looking for. The TH400 in a Commodore has an electric speedo so the Gutlux one wont bolt straight up. It probably comes with the conversion kit. Have a look on their website

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Post by **DamTriton** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:10 pm

mkpatrol wrote:
jugger wrote:one more question do u just plug the hilux speedo cable in or is there a special comversion thingame whatsit for it as im on the road to a v6 tyrbo400 convo in a few months.
Marks 4X4 adaptors do a calibrated adaptor for what you are looking for. The TH400 in a Commodore has an electric speedo so the Gutlux one wont bolt straight up. It probably comes with the conversion kit. Have a look on their website .

Commo's 3.8 V6 had a T700/4L60E not T400 AFAIK.

Post by **cloughy** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:14 pm

DAMKIA wrote:
mkpatrol wrote:
jugger wrote:one more question do u just plug the hilux speedo cable in or is there a special comversion thingame whatsit for it as im on the road to a v6 tyrbo400 convo in a few months.
Marks 4X4 adaptors do a calibrated adaptor for what you are looking for. The TH400 in a Commodore has an electric speedo so the Gutlux one wont bolt straight up. It probably comes with the conversion kit. Have a look on their website .
Commo's 3.8 V6 had a T700/4L60E not T400 AFAIK.

Yes

Post by **mkpatrol** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:34 pm

DAMKIA wrote:
mkpatrol wrote:
jugger wrote:one more question do u just plug the hilux speedo cable in or is there a special comversion thingame whatsit for it as im on the road to a v6 tyrbo400 convo in a few months.
Marks 4X4 adaptors do a calibrated adaptor for what you are looking for. The TH400 in a Commodore has an electric speedo so the Gutlux one wont bolt straight up. It probably comes with the conversion kit. Have a look on their website .
Commo's 3.8 V6 had a T700/4L60E not T400 AFAIK.

Yes I realised the typo on my part after I posted but then couldnt be bothered to change it because I figured Jugger understood what I meant.

Post by **jugger** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:54 pm

mkpatrol wrote:
DAMKIA wrote:
mkpatrol wrote:
jugger wrote:one more question do u just plug the hilux speedo cable in or is there a special comversion thingame whatsit for it as im on the road to a v6 tyrbo400 convo in a few months.
Marks 4X4 adaptors do a calibrated adaptor for what you are looking for. The TH400 in a Commodore has an electric speedo so the Gutlux one wont bolt straight up. It probably comes with the conversion kit. Have a look on their website .
Commo's 3.8 V6 had a T700/4L60E not T400 AFAIK.

Yes I realised the typo on my part after I posted but then couldnt be bothered to change it because I figured Jugger understood what I meant.

ok then what model is the best to buy for this are they all got turbo 700 or are some got turbo 400 im a ford person and my mates are getting good millage outta the fact that i cant use a clevo in the convo.

Post by **tuff 45** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:58 pm

I got a hilux with the 3.8 commo V6 and tubo 700 4 spd auto and is a great combination for on and off road.

Post by **jugger** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:05 pm

tuff 45 wrote:I got a hilux with the 3.8 commo V6 and tubo 700 4 spd auto and is a great combination for on and off road.

what model did it come outta? a mate was saying that the early v6 snapped cams at bigg revs.

Post by **tuff 45** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:14 pm

what model did it come outta? a mate was saying that the early v6 snapped cams at bigg revs.[/quote]

Mine is a VN series 2, i have a series 1 in the shed but the heads and inlet manifold are different like the top radiator hose and thermostat and sensors are at the back of the engine on the series 1. If you get one get the series 2 or get a later ecotec series 2 engine.

Post by **sudso** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:57 pm

mk patrol wrote:

The Rodeo/Jackaroo is a Japanese designed/Tiawanese built double overhead cam, alloy heads, cast iron block engine with a smaller capacity.

The 3.2 V6 Rodeo is all alloy, pretty sure the 3.5 V6 Rodeo's and Jackeroos are all alloy too. (Isuzu engines)

The new petrol Rodeo's now have the Holden built all alloytec 3.6 V6 (same as the recent Commodores) but with the maximum torque at 3000 rpm for the Rodeo designated engines which is more suitable for off road and towing.

cheers

Post by **cloughy** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:16 am

jugger wrote:
mkpatrol wrote:
DAMKIA wrote:
mkpatrol wrote:
jugger wrote:one more question do u just plug the hilux speedo cable in or is there a special comversion thingame whatsit for it as im on the road to a v6 tyrbo400 convo in a few months.
Marks 4X4 adaptors do a calibrated adaptor for what you are looking for. The TH400 in a Commodore has an electric speedo so the Gutlux one wont bolt straight up. It probably comes with the conversion kit. Have a look on their website .
Commo's 3.8 V6 had a T700/4L60E not T400 AFAIK.

Yes I realised the typo on my part after I posted but then couldnt be bothered to change it because I figured Jugger understood what I meant.
ok then what model is the best to buy for this are they all got turbo 700 or are some got turbo 400 im a ford person and my mates are getting good millage outta the fact that i cant use a clevo in the convo.

Windsor it

Post by **jugger** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:25 am

yeah i wish but couldnt find a windsor hiux kit on the marks site . hang on maybe i yes a widsor + lpg + c4 or c6 +60 series t/case + 60 series diffs. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i just had a brain explosion will research now. thanks cloughy for the idea. what dose ppl think.

Post by **mico** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:58 pm

why don't you try dellows or CRS both will do conversion for just about any thing you want

Post by **GUHOON** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:03 pm

jugger wrote:yeah i wish but couldnt find a windsor hiux kit on the marks site . hang on maybe i yes a widsor + lpg + c4 or c6 +60 series t/case + 60 series diffs. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i just had a brain explosion will research now. thanks cloughy for the idea. what dose ppl think.

Just get a 60 and drop in the V8 save all the hassles

Post by **jugger** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:49 pm

GUHOON wrote:
jugger wrote:yeah i wish but couldnt find a windsor hiux kit on the marks site . hang on maybe i yes a widsor + lpg + c4 or c6 +60 series t/case + 60 series diffs. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i just had a brain explosion will research now. thanks cloughy for the idea. what dose ppl think.
Just get a 60 and drop in the V8 save all the hassles

the hilux is light and its already a ute. the WWW.MARKS4WD.COM dont work anymore. has he shut up shop or what . will try dellows had alook at crs its a bit of a confusing site to fjnd anything.

Post by **Daisy** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:34 pm

jugger wrote:
GUHOON wrote:
jugger wrote:yeah i wish but couldnt find a windsor hiux kit on the marks site . hang on maybe i yes a widsor + lpg + c4 or c6 +60 series t/case + 60 series diffs. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i just had a brain explosion will research now. thanks cloughy for the idea. what dose ppl think.
Just get a 60 and drop in the V8 save all the hassles
the hilux is light and its already a ute. the WWW.MARKS4WD.COM dont work anymore. has he shut up shop or what . will try dellows had alook at crs its a bit of a confusing site to fjnd anything.

the link to marks4wd works fine for me... try clearing your cache and try again

TOM

Post by **disco-damo** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:34 pm

Stick with the V6 Com conversion, the V8 convertions are just to much for the old rollux's to handle.
I have mates one with a 253 and another a 350 in '84 and '86 respectively and they sound great but it's damn annoying not being able to go more that 60k's away from a servo or having to carry 4 extra jerry cans for them if we go away.
I have 2 other mates with com V6 converts and both are easy on the juice and unstoppable off road and best of all ive never had a spanner on either of them so they are very reliable.
They dont break diffs and transfer cases and are great on and off the road.
the V6's have a few different models S1 VN had a rope wick rear main seal and the different heads etc S2 VN and S1 VP have a normal rubber lip rear main and is the better of the pulse injected engines.
S2 VP/VR are much the same as VP S1 but seam to do rings and valve guides a bit more than the others and VS was the eco tech engines which other than a bit of a night mare to wire up would be the best choice as they are the same through to VY (as far as I know) so parts are pretty easy to get and cheap.
The convertion will be cheaper with the V6 as well as the kits are easy to install and you wont have as many cooling gremlins to sort.

Post by **bj42turbo** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:51 pm

cloughy wrote:
jugger wrote:Is the rodeo , & jackaroo V6 the same as the commodore V6
No

I say Yes

Holden Rodeo gets Alloytech engine

Date:30/3/2006 Source:correspondents

Because of new emissions regulations, Holden has replaced the Rodeo ute's 3.5-litre petrol V6 with a slightly modified version of the 3.6 Alloytec V6 out of Commodore. The engine has been detuned from Commo dore spec' to produce a maximum 157kW/ 313Nm _ both more than the outgoing 3.5 V6.

The Alloytec is built at Holden's Port Melbourne engine plant and sees duty all around the world in numerous different models including Alfa Romeo and Saab. It had big boots to fill as the outgoing 3.5 had plenty of performance and wasn't afraid of heavy work.

Post by **jugger** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:49 pm

cool ecotec it is see if i can find a cheapy now .

Post by **Sic Lux** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:03 am

I'm with disco-damo the ecotec engines are heaps better around 75 % of the non ecotec dunny doors i see are leaking from the rear main

Post by **Sic Lux** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:04 am

I'm with disco-damo the ecotec engines are heaps better around 75 % of the non ecotec dunny doors i see are leaking from the rear main

Post by **jugger** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:01 am

disco-damo wrote: you wont have as many cooling gremlins to sort.

im most defantly gunna run one of those davis high volume elcectric water pumps so cooling shouldnt be a problem. im not gunna just do this im gunna take atleast 6 mths to plan it and ask as many questions as i can . it mite annoy some ppl but i rather ask and plan now than have to do it with the motor half way in .

Post by **cloughy** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:16 am

disco-damo wrote:Stick with the V6 Com conversion, the V8 convertions are just to much for the old rollux's to handle.
I have mates one with a 253 and another a 350 in '84 and '86 respectively and they sound great but it's damn annoying not being able to go more that 60k's away from a servo or having to carry 4 extra jerry cans for them if we go away.
I have 2 other mates with com V6 converts and both are easy on the juice and unstoppable off road and best of all ive never had a spanner on either of them so they are very reliable.
They dont break diffs and transfer cases and are great on and off the road.
the V6's have a few different models S1 VN had a rope wick rear main seal and the different heads etc S2 VN and S1 VP have a normal rubber lip rear main and is the better of the pulse injected engines.
S2 VP/VR are much the same as VP S1 but seam to do rings and valve guides a bit more than the others and VS was the eco tech engines which other than a bit of a night mare to wire up would be the best choice as they are the same through to VY (as far as I know) so parts are pretty easy to get and cheap.
The convertion will be cheaper with the V6 as well as the kits are easy to install and you wont have as many cooling gremlins to sort.

EFI sorts fuel economy out, breaking diffs??? WTF i could do that as quick in a V6 or V8 powered lux, no difference there matey

Post by **cloughy** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:18 am

bj42turbo wrote:
cloughy wrote:
jugger wrote:Is the rodeo , & jackaroo V6 the same as the commodore V6
No
I say Yes

Holden Rodeo gets Alloytech engine

Date:30/3/2006 Source:correspondents

Because of new emissions regulations, Holden has replaced the Rodeo ute's 3.5-litre petrol V6 with a slightly modified version of the 3.6 Alloytec V6 out of Commodore. The engine has been detuned from Commo dore spec' to produce a maximum 157kW/ 313Nm _ both more than the outgoing 3.5 V6.

The Alloytec is built at Holden's Port Melbourne engine plant and sees duty all around the world in numerous different models including Alfa Romeo and Saab. It had big boots to fill as the outgoing 3.5 had plenty of performance and wasn't afraid of heavy work.

mmm. that will learn me using these very simple answers

Post by **mkpatrol** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:04 am

sudso wrote:mk patrol wrote:
The 3.2 V6 Rodeo is all alloy

All the ones I have seen are Iron

Post by **lewy** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:19 pm

put a real motor in it FORD

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