Bullet proof CVs?

Post by **crunch** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:31 pm

Where can I get super strong C.V's for a YN63 Runner (IFS)? I figured they're need replacing, may aswell get good ones....

Post by **chunkz** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:47 pm

yeah im chaging my surf ones this week...
wouldnt mind knowing some real good ones

Post by **spazbot** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:20 pm

they are called longfields they need to be put in a special solid housing that replaces the ifs in the front of your trucks

Post by **+dj_hansen+** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:19 pm

maybe speak to haultech, see what they can come up with, or PM HG as i bought some after market treated ones from him when he did his SAS

Post by **crunch** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:11 pm

spazbot wrote:they are called longfields they need to be put in a special solid housing that replaces the ifs in the front of your trucks

Surely you can get stronger ones than standard for the IFS....

Post by **spazbot** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:12 pm

you may be able to get a set treated by somone like yuri or haultec but you will prolly just start braking the crownwheel and pinion in the front diff

Post by **-Richo-** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:03 pm

crunch wrote:
spazbot wrote:they are called longfields they need to be put in a special solid housing that replaces the ifs in the front of your trucks
Surely you can get stronger ones than standard for the IFS....

dont bother wasting your money on the ifs, SAS it or stick to firetrails and maccas carparks

Post by **crunch** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:12 pm

Muahahahaha...

At you I laugh. Stop bagging out IFS, seriously, grow the fuck up. Some people don't want/can't afford SAS conversions, get over it. The tech sections are for Tech, not you gay Grimace opinion on how big your SAS penis is.

Seriously, if you have nothing helpful to contribute, don't contribute anything...

Post by **jimbo jones** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:35 pm

crunch wrote:Muahahahaha...

At you I laugh. Stop bagging out IFS, seriously, grow the ***** up. Some people don't want/can't afford SAS conversions, get over it. The tech sections are for Tech, not you . Grimace opinion on how big your SAS Pencil. is.

Seriously, if you have nothing helpful to contribute, don't contribute anything...

x2

Post by **Guy** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:38 pm

I have read about porsche 930 CV's being used, they are physically much larger, and stronger .. and they also have a higher angle of operation .. Check out some of the go fast (look for toyota prerunner suspension setups) yota sites ... From what I can recall is was rather spendy though ...

Post by **Guy** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:46 pm

oops .. were you after inner or outer cv ??

http://www.downeyoff-road.com/Suspensio ... 86-95.html

Post by **-Richo-** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:08 pm

crunch wrote:Muahahahaha...

At you I laugh. Stop bagging out IFS, seriously, grow the ***** up. Some people don't want/can't afford SAS conversions, get over it. The tech sections are for Tech, not you . Grimace opinion on how big your SAS Pencil. is.

Seriously, if you have nothing helpful to contribute, don't contribute anything...

that was helpful, IFS is weak as piss, anyone who knows what they are talking about knows this, thats why it gets shit bagged

the money youll spend on trying to make IFS stronger you could spend on a SAS and do it right the first time.

Post by **crunch** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:16 pm

Drop Bear wrote:
crunch wrote:Muahahahaha...

At you I laugh. Stop bagging out IFS, seriously, grow the ***** up. Some people don't want/can't afford SAS conversions, get over it. The tech sections are for Tech, not you . Grimace opinion on how big your SAS Pencil. is.

Seriously, if you have nothing helpful to contribute, don't contribute anything...
that was helpful, IFS is weak as piss, anyone who knows what they are talking about knows this, thats why it gets shit bagged

the money youll spend on trying to make IFS stronger you could spend on a SAS and do it right the first time.

Put your glasses on old man.

Crunch wrote:Some people don't want/can't afford SAS conversions, get over it.

I asked specifically if there was any improved C.V's for MY truck, not what you would do if it were yours. Your post was not helpful in any way. all you did was state that you believed IFS was piss weak. So people don't have solid axles, vent your dismay at the manufacturers, not at those that own the truck. Yeah, sure, if I could have SAS, I would, but guess what, I don't! So be it, I'm over it, I make do with what I have. Maybe I enjoy the maccas carpark? It is awefully amusing watching you pick up the rubbish at the end of your shift.....

Post by **mudmacaca** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:53 pm

Crunch do your home work. Unless you will get roasted.
The ifs cvs rarly break and are cheap as chips your weak point is your diff and lack of wheel travel and for the price of longfields you could do a sas or get a locker or source a high pinion ifs diff centre.

I now have a live front end rig and it goes places by its self that I would,nt even think about taking ifs with othere rigs for recovery because it will break.

If you still want the ifs check out pirate4x4.com they have heaps of answers

Post by **CRUZERBOY** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:09 pm

I HAD AN 87 4RUNNER IFS WITH A DETROIT LOCKER IN THE FRONT AND AIR LOCKER IN THE BACK. I NEVER BROKE A CV IN THE 7 YEARS THAT I HAD IT, I REPLACED ONE THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL. WE DID ALOT OF DRIVES WITH LIVE AXLE TRUCKS THAT BROKE CV'S ALL THE TIME. SO I WOULDNT SAY THAT THEY ARE AS WEEK AS PISS, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU TREAT YOUR VEHICLE!

Post by **Shadow** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:12 pm

DID YOU HAVE TO SHOUT?

Post by **CRUZERBOY** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:47 pm

Hey there shadow, i'll type how ever i want! If you want to be a dick then go somewhere else!

Post by **Roctoy** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:55 pm

crunch wrote:
Drop Bear wrote:
crunch wrote:Muahahahaha...

At you I laugh. Stop bagging out IFS, seriously, grow the ***** up. Some people don't want/can't afford SAS conversions, get over it. The tech sections are for Tech, not you . Grimace opinion on how big your SAS Pencil. is.

Seriously, if you have nothing helpful to contribute, don't contribute anything...
that was helpful, IFS is weak as piss, anyone who knows what they are talking about knows this, thats why it gets shit bagged

the money youll spend on trying to make IFS stronger you could spend on a SAS and do it right the first time.
Put your glasses on old man.
Crunch wrote:Some people don't want/can't afford SAS conversions, get over it.
I asked specifically if there was any improved C.V's for MY truck, not what you would do if it were yours. Your post was not helpful in any way. all you did was state that you believed IFS was piss weak. So people don't have solid axles, vent your dismay at the manufacturers, not at those that own the truck. Yeah, sure, if I could have SAS, I would, but guess what, I don't! So be it, I'm over it, I make do with what I have. Maybe I enjoy the maccas carpark? It is awefully amusing watching you pick up the rubbish at the end of your shift.....

the problem with strengthening the cv birfield on IFS rigs is you will stop cracking the bell part of it and start breaking the inner axles. They are just not long enough to twist and come back like say the long side axle off a solid front end lux, when put under big loads.
My suggestion is that you alter your driving style so as not to be so harsh on the front end that you break cv's. Try not to allow the wheels to lift, spin in the air then come back to ground spinning with the weight of the vehicle to stop it.
Unfortunately, whether you believe it or not, you are limited in the punishment you can put IFS through, it is desinged to give a comfortable ride over bumpy terrain at speed, not hardcore rockcrawling.

does it have a locker in the front?

Chris

Post by **mudmacaca** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:36 pm

This thread suxs as much as ifs anybodys cat could have got that info from the search button

Post by **ausyota** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:43 pm

The weak points in the IFS are - firstly the CW and pinion. This can be fixed (well strengthened anyway) by fitting an ARB airlocker as it has a more rigid carrier.
Secondly the steering. The standard idler arm is poo. Heavy duty options are around to fix that, thicker shaft, bronze bushes instead of placky etc.

The CVs seem to be a bit stronger than some people would have you believe.
I have heard though that aftermarket ones are very easy to break so stick with genuine stealership ones.

I am still running IFS (planning a SAS eventually) and I have twin ARBs and 35" MTRs and I push it in comps through ANYWHERE the solid front guys go. It is fun when you hear someone in the crowd go "Holy shit that guy has IFS!"

But you will never get the travel that the SA guys have with IFS hence why a SAS is on the cards for the future.
Paul.

Post by **badger** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:24 pm

my research on ifs ............ back wshen i had a triton (stronger front end than any lux ifs) told me that to make ifs strong u had to spend a good few grand.
stronger cv = broken diffs = stronger diffs = arb then you have a locked front = more broken cv= porsche cv's or sas conversion

basically leave it alone use the cv's as a "fuse"

cos they alot cheaper than diffs.
or spend the same money as it takes to make ifs half as strong and go sas

i kno you dont want to hear it but for the coin you will waste on ifs you coild have a bundy or older lux front under it and be over the hassles
there is a reason people do the sas and no they arent that dear ............. prob as dear as 1 set of treated cv's and the center you will replace the next time you head out.
and you also have more than 200mm travel

Post by **crunch** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:20 pm

OK, so my answer is, that normal CV's are strong enough and there is no need to source anything stronger when I replace them (because they need replacing anyway- as all parts do eventually - not because of my driving style) I didn't break them, I'm just replacing them as they are on their way out

Post by **4sum4** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:49 pm

You`ve just started another thread with the words SAS in it

Post by **mudmacaca** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:17 pm

Gotta feels sorry for poor C**T that does a search for SAS

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