Suspension Stuff Challenge 6th Feb 2010 Round 1

[harrisbm]

The challenge will begin. The debate is over the new rules are now up and as always are subject to change if Brenden wants.
Last year was a great success and this year will prove to be better with some great ideas for new mid month competitions being shared with me.
All entry costs will be $50 per vehicle for each class.

Suspension Stuff 4x4 Club/Forum Challenge
SPECIFICATIONS
STOCK CLASS

Maximum 2” Lift – 10 point penalty for every inch above
31" Tyres Maximum 5 point deduction for 32’s on each track and 10 point deduction for 33’s on each track
Must be registered
Any car can compete in this class if the driver doesn’t feel comfortable driving in the next class. Brenden will decide on the penalties and if the car is substansially modified the driver may not be eligible for the prize.
No Lockers. If the car comes standard with an LSD good luck and have fun driving after all it’s a stock class if the factory was smart enough to build it that when then you were smart enough to buy it
If you win more than twice you get a trophy and can win overall but the prizes will go to the next place getter. End of series prize is the car with the most series points.

STREET MODIFIED

Maximum 4 inch lift (including body lifts)
Maximum 33 inch tyres
If you run 34’s you get a 5 point deduction on each track. If you run 35’s you get a 10 point deduction on each track.
1 locker or LSD. We don’t care if the traction aid is front or back but you must have one diff open
Must be registered
Engines – bigger the better
If you win more than twice you get a trophy and can win overall but the prizes will go to the next place getter. End of series prize is the car with the most series points.

EXTREME MODIFIED

As high as you like.
Maximum 37 inch tyres if your worries about the inch to 35’s buy some 37’s. If the inch realy does make a difference wait for the car to win twice and you’ll get the prize for coming second.
Any traction aids.
Roll cages not essential but roll over protection advised. If you don’t have cages don’t worry you just won’t be able to drive some of the bonus lines.
Drivers Window up or nets. If Navi is in the car passanger window must be up or net
Must be registered not QDT road worthy. Cars that aren’t road worthy must be towed into the park.
If you win more than twice you get a trophy and can win overall but the prizes will go to the next. place getter. End of series prize is the car with the most series points.

OUTLAW

Any sized tyres
Must have harnesses, window nets and helmets and roll cage, internal or external. 11evl cling rap doesn’t count as a roof.
Nos must be checked by someone who knows what they are looking for. Brett, Rhett, Michael, DGR boys.
Rear steer is fine because if someone turns up with rear stear we’ll take the stop, reverse penalties away.

BUGGIES / TRUGGIES
Must look good.
Rules speak to Damien at Yuri. I don’t have a clue. If you want to build one speak to Damien at Yuri.
Kill switch mounted within reach of driver and appropriately marked.
Must have harnesses, window nets and helmets and roll cage, internal or external.

We will be having a more competitive comp start after Tuff Truck if we get enough marshalls. This event will need one person who will have overall control. That one person will discuss the final outcome of the event with the scenic rim park director for park liability reasons.

If you would like to register for the event please send an email us from the parks web site.
We'll post up the competitors list closer to the date.

[AngryElmo]

looks good mate, i will do my best to be there but will have to make sure nothing comes up between now and then.

[pootrollin]

Looks sweet for us in extreme mod. Bring on 2010. Merry Christmas and Happy wheelin new year.

[jakob292721]

hi guys, had a ball for my first ever comp and came 3rd in modified. still confused about the front locker, rear lsd subject? i have both, can i still compete in modified? or do i have to put 37s on my xj and go up a class? thanks.

[pigletracing]

is there a compramise.ie. lets say you have a truck with 35" & a 6" lift but with no lockers at all.

& you want to compete.

you would obviously have to go in the modded class against the guys that can use 1 locker & 1 LSD 34" tyres & 4" lift.

# do you still get a 10point penilty per stage for suspension ????
# do you still get a 10point penility per stage for tyres 1" over 34" tyres ????

or is a truck with no lockers at all just suspension & tyres create such a threat to the locked trucks that it warrents a 20point penility per stage.???

I would like to compete, but im sortof a bit stuck between classes,& cant quite afford to buy new tyres & drop the suspension for 1 class or add lockers for the other class..

cheers Piglet

[1MadEngineer]

Do you understand the difference between an outlaw and buggy/truggy???
Rhett and Brett are truggy not outlaw. Generally such things as modified floor pans and bonnet area, no mechanically attached steering, and major chassis modifications are just some of the stuff that separate the too classes. Basically if you can't blue plate it then its a major mod and then you have a truggy. Often both classes are more than capable of running similar courses but the buggy/truggy should have BIGGER bonus lines.

[Tailspin]

No Lockers. If the car comes standard with an LSD good luck and have fun driving after all it’s a stock class if the factory was smart enough to build it that when then you were smart enough to buy it

What if it came from the factory with a locker?

[OIIIO]

Why is it so difficult...

Make the class rules, and stick to them.

All this BS about penalties etc.. is just to confusing.

[Suspension Stuff]

BRENDEN STEELING MY COMPUTER SAYS:
I don't have to know the difference between a buggy and outlaw because I am specifying the classes. If it doesn't match another comp owell.

The car can compete if its open and will only incure one penalty of 10 points.

The reson for the penalties is because you need to cater for a number of different set up cars. If eveyone did the same mods then that would be fine but it doesn't happen. We will sort your points out so just come and have a drive.

[Suspension Stuff]

No Lockers. If the car comes standard with an LSD good luck and have fun driving after all it’s a stock class if the factory was smart enough to build it that when then you were smart enough to buy it

What if it came from the factory with a locker?

If you can unlock the locker then just use 1 in the Modified class and none in the stock class otherwise you are lucky but go in modified.

[Suspension Stuff]

STREET MODIFIED
For those who have a locker up front and limited slip in the rear you get a 10 points penalty per stage you go in. This will be revised at the end of the season.

[nastytroll]

Do you understand the difference between an outlaw and buggy/truggy???
Rhett and Brett are truggy not outlaw. Generally such things as modified floor pans and bonnet area, no mechanically attached steering, and major chassis modifications are just some of the stuff that separate the too classes. Basically if you can't blue plate it then its a major mod and then you have a truggy. Often both classes are more than capable of running similar courses but the buggy/truggy should have BIGGER bonus lines.

There is roughly 1000kg weight difference between me and Bretts patrol too, he also has 40" stickies which is why I want to stay at a lowwer level.

[Suspension Stuff]

is there a compramise.ie. lets say you have a truck with 35" & a 6" lift but with no lockers at all.

& you want to compete.

you would obviously have to go in the modded class against the guys that can use 1 locker & 1 LSD 34" tyres & 4" lift.

# do you still get a 10point penilty per stage for suspension ????
# do you still get a 10point penility per stage for tyres 1" over 34" tyres ????

or is a truck with no lockers at all just suspension & tyres create such a threat to the locked trucks that it warrents a 20point penility per stage.???

I would like to compete, but im sortof a bit stuck between classes,& cant quite afford to buy new tyres & drop the suspension for 1 class or add lockers for the other class..

cheers Piglet

Brenden said that you would only incure a 10 point penalty for tyres per track. (Don't worry about the extra lift, you are already getting a penalty) You are not going to be competing against locked front and rear rigs, just a locked front or a locked rear and quite often just a limited slip in the rear.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee averaged the best in the modified section with just the Limited slip on the rear with 32" tyres. I think I won because the Jeep was so strong and the other vehicles keep breaking

[11_evl]

No Lockers. If the car comes standard with an LSD good luck and have fun driving after all it’s a stock class if the factory was smart enough to build it that when then you were smart enough to buy it

What if it came from the factory with a locker?

is that a serious question??

[11_evl]

Do you understand the difference between an outlaw and buggy/truggy???
Rhett and Brett are truggy not outlaw. Generally such things as modified floor pans and bonnet area, no mechanically attached steering, and major chassis modifications are just some of the stuff that separate the too classes. Basically if you can't blue plate it then its a major mod and then you have a truggy. Often both classes are more than capable of running similar courses but the buggy/truggy should have BIGGER bonus lines.

yeh i think just let us all drive together, than split up the points at the end of the day

[AngryElmo]

is there a compramise.ie. lets say you have a truck with 35" & a 6" lift but with no lockers at all.

& you want to compete.

you would obviously have to go in the modded class against the guys that can use 1 locker & 1 LSD 34" tyres & 4" lift.

# do you still get a 10point penilty per stage for suspension ????
# do you still get a 10point penility per stage for tyres 1" over 34" tyres ????

or is a truck with no lockers at all just suspension & tyres create such a threat to the locked trucks that it warrents a 20point penility per stage.???

I would like to compete, but im sortof a bit stuck between classes,& cant quite afford to buy new tyres & drop the suspension for 1 class or add lockers for the other class..

cheers Piglet

Brenden said that you would only incure a 10 point penalty for tyres per track. (Don't worry about the extra lift, you are already getting a penalty) You are not going to be competing against locked front and rear rigs, just a locked front or a locked rear and quite often just a limited slip in the rear.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee averaged the best in the modified section with just the Limited slip on the rear with 32" tyres. I think I won because the Jeep was so strong and the other vehicles keep breaking

keep dreaming shane, im suprised it wasnt on fire by the end opf the year.......

[harrisbm]

11evl you are beginning to know me better than my wife. YOu have it in one. The buggies and outlaw. Sorry for the copy and past error there wasn't going to be a Truggies class but due to the fact we look like having 5 rigs we'll have the 3 classes. We'll run all 3 classes on the same track like we did in Dec. Once we get more than 6 cars competitng in the same class we'll then split the tracks.

Did I hear correctly the DGR boys are going to marshal this class?

[nottie]

Nos must be checked by someone who knows what they are looking for. Brett, Rhett, Michael, DGR boys.

AHHHHH WHAT THE?????? Please explain??

[harrisbm]

Nitrous Formula® octane boosters. Turn the dial and hang on. A few cars run nos.

[nottie]

I dont see it having a place in your comp Brendon. Its not a timed event.
But each to there own.

[!<Hilux-4X4>!]

i rekon NOS sounds like a cv shattering axel busting good time bring on the nos lol

[pigletracing]

is there a compramise.ie. lets say you have a truck with 35" & a 6" lift but with no lockers at all.

& you want to compete.

you would obviously have to go in the modded class against the guys that can use 1 locker & 1 LSD 34" tyres & 4" lift.

# do you still get a 10point penilty per stage for suspension ????
# do you still get a 10point penility per stage for tyres 1" over 34" tyres ????

or is a truck with no lockers at all just suspension & tyres create such a threat to the locked trucks that it warrents a 20point penility per stage.???

I would like to compete, but im sortof a bit stuck between classes,& cant quite afford to buy new tyres & drop the suspension for 1 class or add lockers for the other class..

cheers Piglet

Brenden said that you would only incure a 10 point penalty for tyres per track. (Don't worry about the extra lift, you are already getting a penalty) You are not going to be competing against locked front and rear rigs, just a locked front or a locked rear and quite often just a limited slip in the rear.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee averaged the best in the modified section with just the Limited slip on the rear with 32" tyres. I think I won because the Jeep was so strong and the other vehicles keep breaking

Thanks Shane, the three little pigs (me, wally,& pete) are eager to come & play next season. I do think your dreaming about the jeep thing,
I can still rember Emu Creek.
cheers "PIGLET"

[jakob292721]

STREET MODIFIED
For those who have a locker up front and limited slip in the rear you get a 10 points penalty per stage you go in. This will be revised at the end of the season.

yeah, ok, sounds alright i guess? i may aswell make sure the lsd is working the best it can then if i'm going to lose points though.
"question" just a thought, and there might be more to this than i thought, but instead of having a limit on the lift, why don't we have a standard clearance measurement, like under the chassis rails. i know it's my fault for buying a jeep, but a 3inch lift on a patrol compared to a jeep is a big difference in chassis clearence, if that makes sense? any thoughts?

[Havoc Racing]

All this whinging on here is getting quite old. The rules brenden has established, in my eyes, are rather fair. They cater for almost all of vehicles out there on the tracks... Its just the minority on this forum, that are gonna ruin it for everyone. If you dont feel that your car it to the max of the rules, then either do the modifications, or suck it up and compete with what u have got.

And when it comes to the outlaw/buggy/truggy comments... Seriously guys, its getting pathetic. I think we should all just run what we bring. For us, it more to put on a show, and just get some wheeling time in. I think there is a need to open the tracks up a little bit, to make them a bit less damaging, and attract more rigs. But this has already been addressed with brenden. Who cares if you have half a chassis, rear steer, portals, hydro whatever... Each setup has its advantages and disadvatages.

Everyone needs to support brenden, shane and all of the other organisers, and stop worrying about winning. We have to look at the big picture. There is a chance for this event to bring a whole new light to the sport. With the amount of positive media coverage this event, and the park is getting, it wont be long until we see bigger and better things.

So quit the sooking, and go out and enjoy competing in this event.

Regards Mitch

[nastytroll]

All this whinging on here is getting quite old. The rules brenden has established, in my eyes, are rather fair. They cater for almost all of vehicles out there on the tracks... Its just the minority on this forum, that are gonna ruin it for everyone. If you dont feel that your car it to the max of the rules, then either do the modifications, or suck it up and compete with what u have got.

And when it comes to the outlaw/buggy/truggy comments... Seriously guys, its getting pathetic. I think we should all just run what we bring. For us, it more to put on a show, and just get some wheeling time in. I think there is a need to open the tracks up a little bit, to make them a bit less damaging, and attract more rigs. But this has already been addressed with brenden. Who cares if you have half a chassis, rear steer, portals, hydro whatever... Each setup has its advantages and disadvatages.

Everyone needs to support brenden, shane and all of the other organisers, and stop worrying about winning. We have to look at the big picture. There is a chance for this event to bring a whole new light to the sport. With the amount of positive media coverage this event, and the park is getting, it wont be long until we see bigger and better things.

So quit the sooking, and go out and enjoy competing in this event.

Regards Mitch

Best comments yet. The new rules allow alot of freedom compared to other comps and will allow pretty much any already built 4by to compete in a class.

Read the provided specs, its plain english from my uneducated perspective.

Good work on the updates and we look forward to comming out for a look and possable drive when the ute or wagon are together again.

[nottie]

i rekon NOS sounds like a cv shattering axel busting good time bring on the nos lol

Not so shattering if you are running cromos


Dont get me wrong at all on my previous comment. The stuff is cool and will be good to watch someone hit wide open throttle and launch something but from the last comp i dont see anywhere you will be able to use it. Effectively. Maybe Brendon and Shane have some more evil plans to allow a bloody good show for those that do use the stuff

[AngryElmo]

it would be good to watch but its hard when all the classes run at the same time at oppisite ends of the park

[11_evl]

All this whinging on here is getting quite old. The rules brenden has established, in my eyes, are rather fair. They cater for almost all of vehicles out there on the tracks... Its just the minority on this forum, that are gonna ruin it for everyone. If you dont feel that your car it to the max of the rules, then either do the modifications, or suck it up and compete with what u have got.
And when it comes to the outlaw/buggy/truggy comments... Seriously guys, its getting pathetic. I think we should all just run what we bring. For us, it more to put on a show, and just get some wheeling time in. I think there is a need to open the tracks up a little bit, to make them a bit less damaging, and attract more rigs. But this has already been addressed with brenden. Who cares if you have half a chassis, rear steer, portals, hydro whatever... Each setup has its advantages and disadvatages.

Everyone needs to support brenden, shane and all of the other organisers, and stop worrying about winning. We have to look at the big picture. There is a chance for this event to bring a whole new light to the sport. With the amount of positive media coverage this event, and the park is getting, it wont be long until we see bigger and better things.

So quit the sooking, and go out and enjoy competing in this event.

Regards Mitch

x2
its all true.

[jakob292721]

sorry if it sounded like i was complaining? obviously not as smart as some to decifer the rules 100%. brendan and shane have been more than accomidating with the rules when i did my first comp few weeks ago, and willing to answer any stupid questions we (I) had. i like the 2 wins and pass it on rule, sounds very fair. understandably the rules have to stop somewere, and i think they have come up with a good comprimise to suit most. looking forward to doing a whole series next year.

[biggsy]

At this stage I am in for the Street modified class.
33's unlocked but with v8...