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Reducing transfer ratio
Reducing transfer ratio
As the topic says Is is worth tracking down a 1l box? Do they make a real difference? Is worth spending more for rock hoppers or those sorts of things? Went out with a guy with rockhoppers and i now notice how much i really need them! Any help will be greatly appreciated. THANKS
Built swb sierra, building a lwb sierra ute and have a dmax for family camping
the 1 letre transfer is 12% lower
all its good for is to compensate a little for tyre size increase
crawler gears are worth every cent and youl save money in breakiage
your clutch will love u
and best of all when twin locked there isnt anything better
all its good for is to compensate a little for tyre size increase
crawler gears are worth every cent and youl save money in breakiage
your clutch will love u
and best of all when twin locked there isnt anything better
TOYZUKI 96 coily zook,lux diffs, 3 inch suspension lift,3 inch body lift, 33'sMTRS,series 4 hopper,power steer,twin air lockers,4 LINK front and rear,2 inch spacers(GOT WIDTH)
They do work well, but t-case gears would be better.
Mine is a 1.3 in a 1.0litre zook, so I have a 1.0 t-case
On 30's and 31's it was great, with my 4:1 stock diffs.
With the 32's is wasn't quite enough, so I fitted 4:9 diffs which is a touch low on road.
Price will determine if it is worth fitting.
If you never want t-case gears the older 1.0litre cases are cheaper and easier to get, but not as easy to fit. As most people want the newer type.
christover
Mine is a 1.3 in a 1.0litre zook, so I have a 1.0 t-case
On 30's and 31's it was great, with my 4:1 stock diffs.
With the 32's is wasn't quite enough, so I fitted 4:9 diffs which is a touch low on road.
Price will determine if it is worth fitting.
If you never want t-case gears the older 1.0litre cases are cheaper and easier to get, but not as easy to fit. As most people want the newer type.
christover
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Well i got the front and rear lockers and now i'm up to the gears! I wont do the 1l thing if it only gives you 12% lower doesn't really seem worth it to me. A guy i was talking to said it would be the same as series 1 rockhoppers. But obviously not.
It was just that we were in rocks and he was ideling in first with no trouble on 31's (series 3) and i was on my 30's sliping the clutch and bouncing over them all!
Certainely need something. I don't mind paying for them i was just wondering if the 1l case did much. THANKS FOR THE HELP AND KEEP THE IDEAS COMING IN
It was just that we were in rocks and he was ideling in first with no trouble on 31's (series 3) and i was on my 30's sliping the clutch and bouncing over them all!
Certainely need something. I don't mind paying for them i was just wondering if the 1l case did much. THANKS FOR THE HELP AND KEEP THE IDEAS COMING IN
Built swb sierra, building a lwb sierra ute and have a dmax for family camping
he may have been talkin about the rock lobster
cheap series one low range gears using 1letre transfer and 1.3 transfer gears
RED_ZOOK done this a while ago search zook section there is some good information there from memory.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ocklobster
cheap series one low range gears using 1letre transfer and 1.3 transfer gears
RED_ZOOK done this a while ago search zook section there is some good information there from memory.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... ocklobster
TOYZUKI 96 coily zook,lux diffs, 3 inch suspension lift,3 inch body lift, 33'sMTRS,series 4 hopper,power steer,twin air lockers,4 LINK front and rear,2 inch spacers(GOT WIDTH)
Thanks for that! I searched and that came up but it all seems like hard work from what the guy was saying it should just bolt straight in. I think i'll go for the rock hoppers. Can you get the series 3(apparently the lowest theyve got) any were or only the series 4? Thanks for the help
Built swb sierra, building a lwb sierra ute and have a dmax for family camping
I'd go for Marks 4wd gearmaster gears, good reputation and Aussie built.
I believe they are 5:1 and will be my choice on the next zook.
Next choice would be Calmini Gears from USA. I don't trust Rockhoppers anymore, too mant stories ( no proof tho )
christover
I believe they are 5:1 and will be my choice on the next zook.
Next choice would be Calmini Gears from USA. I don't trust Rockhoppers anymore, too mant stories ( no proof tho )
christover
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you may be able to find series 3 second hand
series 4 are supose to be toughter
i checked s3 to s4 and the gears didnt mesh so there definatly different
if i was to buy gears again id be looking at trail tought or calmini.
series 4 are supose to be toughter
i checked s3 to s4 and the gears didnt mesh so there definatly different
if i was to buy gears again id be looking at trail tought or calmini.
TOYZUKI 96 coily zook,lux diffs, 3 inch suspension lift,3 inch body lift, 33'sMTRS,series 4 hopper,power steer,twin air lockers,4 LINK front and rear,2 inch spacers(GOT WIDTH)
Will probably go for the marks ones or rock hoppers. What happens to the rock hoppers? Have heard the Marks ones are VERY good any idea on what there worth? Are the calmini ones cheaper, better, lower why are they good? Thanks again.
Built swb sierra, building a lwb sierra ute and have a dmax for family camping
the marks ones are new and maby not had much long term test time thou could verry well the best out there.
calmini come in 4.1 5.1 and 6.5 to one
trailtough are 6.5 also
they all give round abouts 20% reduction in high range.
calmini come in 4.1 5.1 and 6.5 to one
trailtough are 6.5 also
they all give round abouts 20% reduction in high range.
TOYZUKI 96 coily zook,lux diffs, 3 inch suspension lift,3 inch body lift, 33'sMTRS,series 4 hopper,power steer,twin air lockers,4 LINK front and rear,2 inch spacers(GOT WIDTH)
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I used to have the RH series 1, but after a failure i now use the Calmini 5.14's Running standard WT diff ratio's and gearbox, they work great with 32 inch swampers. Have given them heaps more than i gave the RH's, and they have held up fine.
Layto....
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are there any australian distributers of calmini at the moment? or does everyone get them from overseas. I would prefer the extra after purches security that comes with buying something in Australia with a warranty. The marks hit is a bit pricey for the reduction it offers but if it turns out to be unbreakable then im sure it will attract many buyers. Rockhopper have a lot of work to do to rebuild there reputation.lay80n wrote:I used to have the RH series 1, but after a failure i now use the Calmini 5.14's Running standard WT diff ratio's and gearbox, they work great with 32 inch swampers. Have given them heaps more than i gave the RH's, and they have held up fine.
Layto....
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Nice little video! Looks like it was very close to going over!
The guy that had the s3's was ideling over the biggish rocks were as i had to really slip the clutch and bounce over them.
So do the reduction gears only come in the 1 ratio or are there different ratios like diffs and stuff?
Can you only get the calmini gears from the states? Are they cheaper or more expensive than rock hoppers?
Would the 5.14's be alright for 30/31's?
THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP GUYS
The guy that had the s3's was ideling over the biggish rocks were as i had to really slip the clutch and bounce over them.
So do the reduction gears only come in the 1 ratio or are there different ratios like diffs and stuff?
Can you only get the calmini gears from the states? Are they cheaper or more expensive than rock hoppers?
Would the 5.14's be alright for 30/31's?
THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP GUYS
Built swb sierra, building a lwb sierra ute and have a dmax for family camping
suzuki boy wrote:So witch one would you use for 30/31's?
i had 6.1 with 31's and it worked well
can always use second if you need to
better to have too much gearing than not enough
and when you decide you need bigger tyres you will be happy for the lower gear set
TOYZUKI 96 coily zook,lux diffs, 3 inch suspension lift,3 inch body lift, 33'sMTRS,series 4 hopper,power steer,twin air lockers,4 LINK front and rear,2 inch spacers(GOT WIDTH)
when your mate said the 1L is the same gearing as a R1 he would have been talking about high range only. For high range they are both 12% lower but low range the 1L is still 12% whereas the R1 are about 90%.
When deciding which ratio to get for 30's/31's just look at the high range reduction. I run series 3 which are 22% in high and 170% in low on 30's. High range is fine..a touch low for highway cruising but you get by fine...low is awesome. with my 31 centis high range was pretty much spot on. Need to balance out an easy top speed for cruising against enough torque to be able to push those tyres up hills...my 31's were the upper limit for this IMO. I would be looking for something with high reduction of around 18-22% and as low as you can get....can never be too low..idle everything and always take 2nd 3rd or 4th up hills if getting too much torque and wheelspin
When deciding which ratio to get for 30's/31's just look at the high range reduction. I run series 3 which are 22% in high and 170% in low on 30's. High range is fine..a touch low for highway cruising but you get by fine...low is awesome. with my 31 centis high range was pretty much spot on. Need to balance out an easy top speed for cruising against enough torque to be able to push those tyres up hills...my 31's were the upper limit for this IMO. I would be looking for something with high reduction of around 18-22% and as low as you can get....can never be too low..idle everything and always take 2nd 3rd or 4th up hills if getting too much torque and wheelspin
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muppet_man67 wrote:are there any australian distributers of calmini at the moment? or does everyone get them from overseas. I would prefer the extra after purches security that comes with buying something in Australia with a warranty. The marks hit is a bit pricey for the reduction it offers but if it turns out to be unbreakable then im sure it will attract many buyers. Rockhopper have a lot of work to do to rebuild there reputation.lay80n wrote:I used to have the RH series 1, but after a failure i now use the Calmini 5.14's Running standard WT diff ratio's and gearbox, they work great with 32 inch swampers. Have given them heaps more than i gave the RH's, and they have held up fine.
Layto....
ABT, prob more but thats all i can think of ATM at work.
Layto....
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how can you tell if you've got reduction gears or not?
Do they make different diff ratio's for suzi's? As my mate bought his suzi already on 31's (i want to buy it off him soon), but doesn't know much about 4bys so he has no idea if it has gearing or not.
Gearing seems fine on road. Around town it feels spot on. But on the highway it maxes out at around 100. Cruises nice at 90-95...
Its a 95 WT 1.3 with exhaust/extractors...
low range isn't very crash hot tho. He has to ride the clutch. Alot.
Do they make different diff ratio's for suzi's? As my mate bought his suzi already on 31's (i want to buy it off him soon), but doesn't know much about 4bys so he has no idea if it has gearing or not.
Gearing seems fine on road. Around town it feels spot on. But on the highway it maxes out at around 100. Cruises nice at 90-95...
Its a 95 WT 1.3 with exhaust/extractors...
low range isn't very crash hot tho. He has to ride the clutch. Alot.
All the gear, No idea...
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DEEV8 wrote:how can you tell if you've got reduction gears or not?
Do they make different diff ratio's for suzi's? As my mate bought his suzi already on 31's (i want to buy it off him soon), but doesn't know much about 4bys so he has no idea if it has gearing or not.
Gearing seems fine on road. Around town it feels spot on. But on the highway it maxes out at around 100. Cruises nice at 90-95...
Its a 95 WT 1.3 with exhaust/extractors...
low range isn't very crash hot tho. He has to ride the clutch. Alot.
If low isnt crash hot, then my guess is not gearing mods, as with any crawler gears on only 31's it will be well noticable. You can get different ratios for diffs by fitting vitata CW&P or importing from states.
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Correct, as you are only replacing the Crown wheel and pinion, not the hemisphere that contains the lockers. But, the ratio is constant, as in it will only lower both high range and low range by a certain percentage. Where as crawler gears will lower you high range say 18% (allow for high range road driving with larger tyres), and also lower you low range by a much larger percentage (say 127%) so you can crawl much better. Depends on what you use the zook for, and how you like the car to drive.
Layto....
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[quote="v840"]Just between me and you, I actually really dig the Megatwon, but if anyone asks, I'm going to shitcan it as much as possible! :D[/quote]
I'm only 17 and an app carpenter so i'll probably just get a panel van or something! On road is nothing really as it will stay the same wont it?
Off road high is high so doesn't really matter how high it is!
If it drop low by 127% i think that will be the go! How much would you pay for front and rear?
THANKS
Off road high is high so doesn't really matter how high it is!
If it drop low by 127% i think that will be the go! How much would you pay for front and rear?
THANKS
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suzuki boy wrote:I'm only 17 and an app carpenter so i'll probably just get a panel van or something! On road is nothing really as it will stay the same wont it?
Off road high is high so doesn't really matter how high it is!
If it drop low by 127% i think that will be the go! How much would you pay for front and rear?
THANKS
That 127% is the low in a calmini 5.14 gearset (transfer gears). What im trying to say is that with diff gears, both your low and hi will drop by the same percentage, where as with transfer gears the high will drop slightly, which allows you to handle bigger tyres easier for road/trail driving. Your low will drop considerably though making crawling much easier and controlled (and your clutch happy too). I went for crawler gears before a diff ratio change, but then i dont intend to have zook diffs under my rig much longer
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