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gas for MIG welding

Post by Snarba »

Hi there just got a question, for welding steel and occasionaly gal steel should I use Argoshield or welding grade Argon? the argoshield is cheaper but you can't get it in a small size cylinder.....which is what I want to keep it as portable as possible. The W grade Argon is more expensive but I can get it in the small cyl which is what I need. p.s I only have a Unimig 172 so I want to keep it a small unit. I have tried the gasless wire but I think the gas would work better.....any thoughts?
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Post by nastytroll »

streight argon will give poor welds with mild steel, it will work but not the best
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Post by Loanrangie »

You want argo shield.
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Post by ISUZUROVER »

argoshield is both better and cheaper. But I have done some steel welding with argon, and while it is nowhere near as good, it will stiilll work.

But get argoshield if at all possible.
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Post by familybus »

get some Migsheild or Bluesheild 23 instead!
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Post by short stuff »

my work uses co2
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Post by eliteforce32 »

or some lighter gas corgan5/2
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Post by krf_bb »

argosheil technical grade is the best
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Post by zagan »

Go the argo, it's safer health wise if your worried about that.

CO2 isn't safe health wise.
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Post by matthewK »

argo sheild light will do it :) or corgan
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Post by j-top paj »

argo ;)
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Post by dano80 »

Argosheild light. I know you can get it in a couple of sizes. I think the one I have now is a "D" size about a metre high.....the one I used to have was about 600mm, from memory it was a "C" size. but obviously you will go through them a lot quicker.
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Post by noelb1 »

hey quick q I have to get a small bottle aswell, whats one worth ?
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Post by familybus »

noelb1 wrote:hey quick q I have to get a small bottle aswell, whats one worth ?
i got a E size Bluesheild 23 for sale! its empty but yah never have to pay rental again ;)
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Post by RUFF »

familybus wrote:
noelb1 wrote:hey quick q I have to get a small bottle aswell, whats one worth ?
i got a E size Bluesheild 23 for sale! its empty but yah never have to pay rental again ;)
Although to get it swapped over you will need to know someone with a gas account somewhere. At least in QLD you can no longer get bottles re-filled. And you can no longer "own" your own bottle. You must have an account to "hire" a bottle and then you can swap it over when empty. Its around $150 a year to hire an E size bottle + what ever the gas is worth. In the last 3 years i have spent $400 in bottle hire and am still on my first bottle. The hire is the killer :bad-words:
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Post by Mulisha »

I have a MIG welder i learnt to weld without gas at all just using bunnings .8mm wire :?

Does gas help out much becuase sometimes when i'm welding the welder will sound like it's pausing and sh1t..

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Post by RUFF »

Mulisha wrote:I have a MIG welder i learnt to weld without gas at all just using bunnings .8mm wire :?

Does gas help out much becuase sometimes when i'm welding the welder will sound like it's pausing and sh1t..

Rick.

Sorry for the hijack ;)
You must be using Flux core wire?

Otherwise your not going to get a decent weld without gas. It will be full of pourosity.
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Post by Mulisha »

RUFF wrote:
Mulisha wrote:I have a MIG welder i learnt to weld without gas at all just using bunnings .8mm wire :?

Does gas help out much becuase sometimes when i'm welding the welder will sound like it's pausing and sh1t..

Rick.

Sorry for the hijack ;)
You must be using Flux core wire?

Otherwise your not going to get a decent weld without gas. It will be full of pourosity.
I couldn't say to be honest the wire i brought said that it's ment for Mild steel..

I welded a enclosed motocross trailer without gas but not i kinda think i may need it to get nicer welds etc..

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Post by zagan »

Bunnings would be flux core wires they don't sell anything else.

a Reel (15kg) of mild will cost around $20 unless it gone up, from trade tools.

Stinless $40

Ali $60

I'd take you probably didn't pay those prices, I'm glad I don't need to worry about buying reels at work :) I've done a 15kg reel in a day, mainly last about 4 1/2 days normally.
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Post by Mrs Ludacris »

Gasless wire is the best for welding Galvanised. Also good for windy conditions. I got my first year of bottle hire half price :D . A new roll of 15kg wire and E size migshield M1 cost me $110.

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Post by noelb1 »

can anyone get a gas account or do you have to be a business ?
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Post by RUFF »

noelb1 wrote:can anyone get a gas account or do you have to be a business ?
Anyone can get an account.
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