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THE 2008 EFS LOGAN CHALLENGE
Moderator: evanstaniland
THE 2008 EFS LOGAN CHALLENGE
THE 2008 EFS LOGAN CHALLENGE
loganchallenge@optusnet.com.au
Hi All
The LOGAN DISTRICTS 4WD Inc would like to personally invite you to the "2008 EFS Logan Challenge", which will be held on 15th -17th August at The Springs 4x4 Camping and Adventure Park, New England Highway, Braeside Via Dalveen.
This year's event is looking bigger than ever with all of the action being captured and filmed by 4WD TV, so we hope that you can get a team together and join us for a great weekend of action and excitement.
There is a limit on the number of teams that can run in the event and we will only be able to accept 12 teams, with 3 cars per team, so we urge you to get your entry in as soon as possible. The 2008 EFS Logan Challenge will commence 7.00pm on the Friday evening, and concluding with the presentation Sunday afternoon.
Please find attached further details on the event and an entry form.
Cost for entry is $250.00 per Three car team
We look forward to seeing you there.
Kind regards,
The Logan 4X4 Club. loganchallenge@optusnet.com.au
Cost for entry is $250.00 per Three car team
Link to entry form etc
http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm
THE LOGAN CHALLENGE IS AN ANNUAL EVENT PUT TOGETHER BY THE
LOGAN 4WD CLUB. THE EVENT GOES FOR 2 DAYS WITH EVERY
POSSIBLE FOUR WHEEL DRIVING SENERIO INCLUDED. THERE ARE
80 ENTRANTS WHO WILL CHALLENGE EVERYTHING FROM HARD
DRIVING AND WINCHING TO MECHANICAL SKILLS AND GENERAL
KNOWLEGE! IT IS,AS ALLWAYS,AN ACTION PACKED WEEKEND FOR
ALL. DON'T FORGET THE MONSTER RAFFLE AT THE END OF THE EVENT
HUGE PRIZES KINDLY DONATED BY OUR GENEROUS SPONSORS.
loganchallenge@optusnet.com.au
Hi All
The LOGAN DISTRICTS 4WD Inc would like to personally invite you to the "2008 EFS Logan Challenge", which will be held on 15th -17th August at The Springs 4x4 Camping and Adventure Park, New England Highway, Braeside Via Dalveen.
This year's event is looking bigger than ever with all of the action being captured and filmed by 4WD TV, so we hope that you can get a team together and join us for a great weekend of action and excitement.
There is a limit on the number of teams that can run in the event and we will only be able to accept 12 teams, with 3 cars per team, so we urge you to get your entry in as soon as possible. The 2008 EFS Logan Challenge will commence 7.00pm on the Friday evening, and concluding with the presentation Sunday afternoon.
Please find attached further details on the event and an entry form.
Cost for entry is $250.00 per Three car team
We look forward to seeing you there.
Kind regards,
The Logan 4X4 Club. loganchallenge@optusnet.com.au
Cost for entry is $250.00 per Three car team
Link to entry form etc
http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm
THE LOGAN CHALLENGE IS AN ANNUAL EVENT PUT TOGETHER BY THE
LOGAN 4WD CLUB. THE EVENT GOES FOR 2 DAYS WITH EVERY
POSSIBLE FOUR WHEEL DRIVING SENERIO INCLUDED. THERE ARE
80 ENTRANTS WHO WILL CHALLENGE EVERYTHING FROM HARD
DRIVING AND WINCHING TO MECHANICAL SKILLS AND GENERAL
KNOWLEGE! IT IS,AS ALLWAYS,AN ACTION PACKED WEEKEND FOR
ALL. DON'T FORGET THE MONSTER RAFFLE AT THE END OF THE EVENT
HUGE PRIZES KINDLY DONATED BY OUR GENEROUS SPONSORS.
Last edited by scrun on Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:29 pm, edited 6 times in total.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
Hi I want to enter the deaf in as a team... who do I contact? Where do I send the form? who wants our money, how much will it cost? please please please someone respond I have been trying for ages to get in contact with someone fom logan club who knows what is happening! They dont have a website or webaddress and the 4WD QLD site doesnt list any contact details either.
Cheers
Hutch
Cheers
Hutch
Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you’re alive it isn’t.
- Richard Bach
- Richard Bach
Link to entry form and vehicle specs :Hutch wrote:Hi I want to enter the deaf in as a team... who do I contact? Where do I send the form? who wants our money, how much will it cost? please please please someone respond I have been trying for ages to get in contact with someone fom logan club who knows what is happening! They dont have a website or webaddress and the 4WD QLD site doesnt list any contact details either.
Cheers
Hutch
http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm
loganchallenge@optusnet.com.au
Last edited by scrun on Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
Hi Everyone,
Vehicle info, Registration forms can be downloaded from this link...
Cheers Ian
http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm
Vehicle info, Registration forms can be downloaded from this link...
Cheers Ian
http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm
cheers for that guys... rego form sent!loopy31 wrote:Hi Everyone,
Vehicle info, Registration forms can be downloaded from this link...
Cheers Ian
http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm
Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you’re alive it isn’t.
- Richard Bach
- Richard Bach
The Big Green Meany wrote:Is it same rules as last year Max 35 inch tyres???
Hey Blackers what are you thinking
4. Vehicle Specifications.
4a. Wheels and tyres: Tyre size is unlimited. Wheels are unlimited. Beadlocked rims are permitted. Agricultural tyres of any description are not permitted. Wheel chains of any type are not permitted. Wheel and tyre combinations can protrude the vehicle body but must be accompanied by flare material. Wheel spacers are not permitted.
BIG BOYS OFF ROAD RACING
No specs up when I asked the questionmr_incredible wrote:The Big Green Meany wrote:Is it same rules as last year Max 35 inch tyres???
Hey Blackers what are you thinking
4. Vehicle Specifications.
4a. Wheels and tyres: Tyre size is unlimited. Wheels are unlimited. Beadlocked rims are permitted. Agricultural tyres of any description are not permitted. Wheel chains of any type are not permitted. Wheel and tyre combinations can protrude the vehicle body but must be accompanied by flare material. Wheel spacers are not permitted.
Guts wrote:I want to ask why not?sloshy wrote:Buggermr_incredible wrote: Wheel spacers are not permitted.
I`ve been thinking about this, but the wheels spacer rule, rules me out.
Easy fix, take them out if you want to compete.
Rules are Rules, Sol.
Cheers
MMM
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
Oh yeah easy fix, NOT!!!!!!!!XTREME MMM wrote:Guts wrote:I want to ask why not?sloshy wrote:Buggermr_incredible wrote: Wheel spacers are not permitted.
I`ve been thinking about this, but the wheels spacer rule, rules me out.
Easy fix, take them out if you want to compete.
Rules are Rules, Sol.
Cheers
MMM
Without that exact width in wheel track tyres will remove guards and tray, the front tyres will lock up on the front springs and then break inner axles.
It always amazes me that event rules allow hugely off set rims and rims that have been CUT and re welded. Infact the rims can be cut and welded by somebody that has never welded before, yes these rims may have the worst welds ever on them but they are still allowed under the rules.
Off sets different to factory but the SAME extra stress on things as wheel spacers do, they also change the same radius of the steering circle but they are allowed
Last edited by MissDrew on Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
A tyre size restriction and not allowing wheel spacers are two completely different things...
I know its the organisers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.
Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.
I know its the organisers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.
Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.
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I beleive because it is easy to see that you have all your wheel nuts fitted with cut or modified rims. With spacers there is no way of knowing how many wheel nuts are holding the spacer on without removing the wheel. I have seen many wheel spacers and wheels with wheel nuts missing and this is not just on trail runs or entry level comps. And the driver was well aware these were missing.G_loomis wrote:A tyre size restriction and not allowing wheel spacers are two completely different things...
I know its the organisers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.
Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.
I watched a 42" TSL fall off the back of a very highly modified rig that i would never have expected to see have a failure on a night run only recently. The spacer was the issue on this occasion.
There were a lot of people in previous years that complained the previous tyre size limit was too large and that was the reason they had not entered the event. So we brought the tyre size limit back down to attract these same people. It made little to no difference. Most of the people that had been complaining didn't enter anyway so now there is no size limit.Rogue Patrol wrote:Why did they limit tyre size last year?
Can't make evryone happy.
What about when a whole complete knuckle breaks off, happens on both GQ`sand 80 series front ends.RUFF wrote:I beleive because it is easy to see that you have all your wheel nuts fitted with cut or modified rims. With spacers there is no way of knowing how many wheel nuts are holding the spacer on without removing the wheel. I have seen many wheel spacers and wheels with wheel nuts missing and this is not just on trail runs or entry level comps. And the driver was well aware these were missing.G_loomis wrote:A tyre size restriction and not allowing wheel spacers are two completely different things...
I know its the organizers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.
Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.
I watched a 42" TSL fall off the back of a very highly modified rig that i would never have expected to see have a failure on a night run only recently. The spacer was the issue on this occasion.
OR if a rear wheel bearing failed on a semi float rear diff, eg hilux rear diff. The whole wheel can fall off.
No different to a wheel falling off because of a spacer
It all comes down to MAINTENANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and checking over your rig.
Like come on when was the last time you seen somebody checking their wheel nuts before each stage? 99% of people only look at them when they are removing/putting on their wheel from fixing their rig.
Sorry Dave but I think you need to start your own event so you can write rules that suit you. Then you can try and post an explanation as to why the rules are the way they are so as to keep everyone happy.Guts wrote:What about when a whole complete knuckle breaks off, happens on both GQ`sand 80 series front ends.RUFF wrote:I beleive because it is easy to see that you have all your wheel nuts fitted with cut or modified rims. With spacers there is no way of knowing how many wheel nuts are holding the spacer on without removing the wheel. I have seen many wheel spacers and wheels with wheel nuts missing and this is not just on trail runs or entry level comps. And the driver was well aware these were missing.G_loomis wrote:A tyre size restriction and not allowing wheel spacers are two completely different things...
I know its the organizers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.
Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.
I watched a 42" TSL fall off the back of a very highly modified rig that i would never have expected to see have a failure on a night run only recently. The spacer was the issue on this occasion.
OR if a rear wheel bearing failed on a semi float rear diff, eg hilux rear diff. The whole wheel can fall off.
No different to a wheel falling off because of a spacer
It all comes down to MAINTENANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and checking over your rig.
Like come on when was the last time you seen somebody checking their wheel nuts before each stage? 99% of people only look at them when they are removing/putting on their wheel from fixing their rig.
Im sorry the reason i gave doesn't suit you but i really doubt i could give you one that would.
Still doesn`t answer why they are not allowed.RUFF wrote: I'm sorry the reason i gave doesn't suit you but i really doubt i could give you one that would.
There is no logical reason to ban them.
If they have come off its because people haven`t put them on properly in the first place
But what ever, it`ll save me money not competing anyway and as you know I only intend on doing the ODD comp here and there
Just spoke to a couple of other club members and the Wheel spacer rule may just be an overlooked carry over from previous years. My above answer wasnt a view of the club it was just what i beleived may have been the reasoning for this rule.
I should have a better explanation on why its there or even if it should be there tomorrow. Its also possible one of the Challenge commitee members may respond to this.
I should have a better explanation on why its there or even if it should be there tomorrow. Its also possible one of the Challenge commitee members may respond to this.
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