THE 2008 EFS LOGAN CHALLENGE

[scrun]

THE 2008 EFS LOGAN CHALLENGE

loganchallenge@optusnet.com.au

Hi All

The LOGAN DISTRICTS 4WD Inc would like to personally invite you to the "2008 EFS Logan Challenge", which will be held on 15th -17th August at The Springs 4x4 Camping and Adventure Park, New England Highway, Braeside Via Dalveen.

This year's event is looking bigger than ever with all of the action being captured and filmed by 4WD TV, so we hope that you can get a team together and join us for a great weekend of action and excitement.

There is a limit on the number of teams that can run in the event and we will only be able to accept 12 teams, with 3 cars per team, so we urge you to get your entry in as soon as possible. The 2008 EFS Logan Challenge will commence 7.00pm on the Friday evening, and concluding with the presentation Sunday afternoon.

Please find attached further details on the event and an entry form.
Cost for entry is $250.00 per Three car team
We look forward to seeing you there.

Kind regards,
The Logan 4X4 Club. loganchallenge@optusnet.com.au



Cost for entry is $250.00 per Three car team

Link to entry form etc
http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm

THE LOGAN CHALLENGE IS AN ANNUAL EVENT PUT TOGETHER BY THE
LOGAN 4WD CLUB. THE EVENT GOES FOR 2 DAYS WITH EVERY
POSSIBLE FOUR WHEEL DRIVING SENERIO INCLUDED. THERE ARE
80 ENTRANTS WHO WILL CHALLENGE EVERYTHING FROM HARD
DRIVING AND WINCHING TO MECHANICAL SKILLS AND GENERAL
KNOWLEGE! IT IS,AS ALLWAYS,AN ACTION PACKED WEEKEND FOR
ALL. DON'T FORGET THE MONSTER RAFFLE AT THE END OF THE EVENT
HUGE PRIZES KINDLY DONATED BY OUR GENEROUS SPONSORS.

[The Big Green Meany]

Is it same rules as last year Max 35 inch tyres???

[bowtie landie]

tyre size is not mentioned in the new vehicle specs.

[scrun]

There is NO tyre size Limit !!!!!

[Hutch]

Hi I want to enter the deaf in as a team... who do I contact? Where do I send the form? who wants our money, how much will it cost? please please please someone respond I have been trying for ages to get in contact with someone fom logan club who knows what is happening! They dont have a website or webaddress and the 4WD QLD site doesnt list any contact details either.

Cheers
Hutch

[scrun]

Hi I want to enter the deaf in as a team... who do I contact? Where do I send the form? who wants our money, how much will it cost? please please please someone respond I have been trying for ages to get in contact with someone fom logan club who knows what is happening! They dont have a website or webaddress and the 4WD QLD site doesnt list any contact details either.

Cheers
Hutch

Link to entry form and vehicle specs :

http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm

loganchallenge@optusnet.com.au

[loopy31]

Hi Everyone,
Vehicle info, Registration forms can be downloaded from this link...
Cheers Ian

http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm

[Hutch]

Hi Everyone,
Vehicle info, Registration forms can be downloaded from this link...
Cheers Ian

http://www.thesprings4x4.com.au/2008%20 ... llenge.htm

cheers for that guys... rego form sent!

[mr_incredible]

Is it same rules as last year Max 35 inch tyres???

Hey Blackers what are you thinking


4. Vehicle Specifications.
4a. Wheels and tyres: Tyre size is unlimited. Wheels are unlimited. Beadlocked rims are permitted. Agricultural tyres of any description are not permitted. Wheel chains of any type are not permitted. Wheel and tyre combinations can protrude the vehicle body but must be accompanied by flare material. Wheel spacers are not permitted.

[The Big Green Meany]

Is it same rules as last year Max 35 inch tyres???

Hey Blackers what are you thinking


4. Vehicle Specifications.
4a. Wheels and tyres: Tyre size is unlimited. Wheels are unlimited. Beadlocked rims are permitted. Agricultural tyres of any description are not permitted. Wheel chains of any type are not permitted. Wheel and tyre combinations can protrude the vehicle body but must be accompanied by flare material. Wheel spacers are not permitted.

No specs up when I asked the question

[sloshy]

Wheel spacers are not permitted.

Bugger

[booflux]

Whats the cost/team ??

[MissDrew]

Wheel spacers are not permitted.

Bugger

I want to ask why not?
I`ve been thinking about this, but the wheels spacer rule, rules me out.

[sloshy]

Wheel spacers are not permitted.

Bugger

I want to ask why not?
I`ve been thinking about this, but the wheels spacer rule, rules me out.

Same boat

[mr_incredible]

I want to ask why not?

Probably the same as last year re tyre size.......................thats the rules they as organisers have chosen??

[sloshy]

Probably the same as last year re tyre size.......................thats the rules they as organisers have chosen??

Fair enough

[XTREME MMM]

Wheel spacers are not permitted.

Bugger

I want to ask why not?
I`ve been thinking about this, but the wheels spacer rule, rules me out.

Easy fix, take them out if you want to compete.

Rules are Rules, Sol.

Cheers
MMM

[MissDrew]

Wheel spacers are not permitted.

Bugger

I want to ask why not?
I`ve been thinking about this, but the wheels spacer rule, rules me out.

Easy fix, take them out if you want to compete.

Rules are Rules, Sol.

Cheers
MMM

Oh yeah easy fix, NOT!!!!!!!!

Without that exact width in wheel track tyres will remove guards and tray, the front tyres will lock up on the front springs and then break inner axles.
It always amazes me that event rules allow hugely off set rims and rims that have been CUT and re welded. Infact the rims can be cut and welded by somebody that has never welded before, yes these rims may have the worst welds ever on them but they are still allowed under the rules.

Off sets different to factory but the SAME extra stress on things as wheel spacers do, they also change the same radius of the steering circle but they are allowed

[MissDrew]

I want to ask why not?

Probably the same as last year re tyre size.......................thats the rules they as organisers have chosen??

Yeah ok they may have chosen this rule, BUT I would like them to back it up with WHY?

[Rogue Patrol]

Why did they limit tyre size last year?
Can't make evryone happy.

[G_loomis]

A tyre size restriction and not allowing wheel spacers are two completely different things...

I know its the organisers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.

Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.

[RUFF]

A tyre size restriction and not allowing wheel spacers are two completely different things...

I know its the organisers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.

Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.

I beleive because it is easy to see that you have all your wheel nuts fitted with cut or modified rims. With spacers there is no way of knowing how many wheel nuts are holding the spacer on without removing the wheel. I have seen many wheel spacers and wheels with wheel nuts missing and this is not just on trail runs or entry level comps. And the driver was well aware these were missing.

I watched a 42" TSL fall off the back of a very highly modified rig that i would never have expected to see have a failure on a night run only recently. The spacer was the issue on this occasion.

[RUFF]

Why did they limit tyre size last year?
Can't make evryone happy.

There were a lot of people in previous years that complained the previous tyre size limit was too large and that was the reason they had not entered the event. So we brought the tyre size limit back down to attract these same people. It made little to no difference. Most of the people that had been complaining didn't enter anyway so now there is no size limit.

[WICKED]

The Logan Club Meeting is on tonight!

[MissDrew]

A tyre size restriction and not allowing wheel spacers are two completely different things...

I know its the organizers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.

Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.

I beleive because it is easy to see that you have all your wheel nuts fitted with cut or modified rims. With spacers there is no way of knowing how many wheel nuts are holding the spacer on without removing the wheel. I have seen many wheel spacers and wheels with wheel nuts missing and this is not just on trail runs or entry level comps. And the driver was well aware these were missing.

I watched a 42" TSL fall off the back of a very highly modified rig that i would never have expected to see have a failure on a night run only recently. The spacer was the issue on this occasion.

What about when a whole complete knuckle breaks off, happens on both GQ`sand 80 series front ends.
OR if a rear wheel bearing failed on a semi float rear diff, eg hilux rear diff. The whole wheel can fall off.
No different to a wheel falling off because of a spacer

It all comes down to MAINTENANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and checking over your rig.
Like come on when was the last time you seen somebody checking their wheel nuts before each stage? 99% of people only look at them when they are removing/putting on their wheel from fixing their rig.

[RUFF]

A tyre size restriction and not allowing wheel spacers are two completely different things...

I know its the organizers right to make the rules that they see fit, but I agree with Guts on this...you can have offset rims or cut and welded rims (quality of welds is a guess) but you cant have spacers. Spacers do the same thing as offset/cut and welded rims, they produce the same amount of stress as the other options...so asking for a "why?" isnt that big of an ask really.

Maybe the organisers think that doing up another set of wheel nuts is too hard for some people.

I beleive because it is easy to see that you have all your wheel nuts fitted with cut or modified rims. With spacers there is no way of knowing how many wheel nuts are holding the spacer on without removing the wheel. I have seen many wheel spacers and wheels with wheel nuts missing and this is not just on trail runs or entry level comps. And the driver was well aware these were missing.

I watched a 42" TSL fall off the back of a very highly modified rig that i would never have expected to see have a failure on a night run only recently. The spacer was the issue on this occasion.

What about when a whole complete knuckle breaks off, happens on both GQ`sand 80 series front ends.
OR if a rear wheel bearing failed on a semi float rear diff, eg hilux rear diff. The whole wheel can fall off.
No different to a wheel falling off because of a spacer

It all comes down to MAINTENANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and checking over your rig.
Like come on when was the last time you seen somebody checking their wheel nuts before each stage? 99% of people only look at them when they are removing/putting on their wheel from fixing their rig.

Sorry Dave but I think you need to start your own event so you can write rules that suit you. Then you can try and post an explanation as to why the rules are the way they are so as to keep everyone happy.

Im sorry the reason i gave doesn't suit you but i really doubt i could give you one that would.

[MissDrew]

I'm sorry the reason i gave doesn't suit you but i really doubt i could give you one that would.

Still doesn`t answer why they are not allowed.
There is no logical reason to ban them.

If they have come off its because people haven`t put them on properly in the first place
But what ever, it`ll save me money not competing anyway and as you know I only intend on doing the ODD comp here and there

[WICKED]

me money not competing anyway and as you know I only intend on doing the ODD comp here and there

So Shit stirring basically?

[MissDrew]

No I was thinking about it, Ruff and I have spoken about Logan`s events and how they run etc. I don`t know if this is the same type of event that we have spoken about or if its different but I WAS thinking about it.

[RUFF]

Just spoke to a couple of other club members and the Wheel spacer rule may just be an overlooked carry over from previous years. My above answer wasnt a view of the club it was just what i beleived may have been the reasoning for this rule.

I should have a better explanation on why its there or even if it should be there tomorrow. Its also possible one of the Challenge commitee members may respond to this.