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Post by cj »

christover1 wrote:
I'm not sure if cj means its up for sale again?
Yes, up for sale again.
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Post by tuf045 »

Enough chit chat Have you made any progress?
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Post by grimbo »

cj wrote:
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I'm not sure if cj means its up for sale again?
Yes, up for sale again.
could you perhaps PM me the details
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Post by germo »

update
not a whole heap has been achieved yet.

I have aquired a few more parts
an sr20det $800 bargin
c4 auto that need a rebuild although still works = $50

another option being considered is the c4 auto to range rover lt95 transfer option.
this was a conversion done a while ago to range rover two door I think, anyways it means a cheap way (500 - 600) to get a transfer that is already adapted to the c4 rather than buy a kit to adapt a hilux xfer to the c4, which new is about $1200. plus the c4 needs to be rebuilt with a new shaft that has the correct splin for a hilus xfer.

this also has a change on the diff selection! which is not a big deal in the money stakes as I have a set of each (rainy day)
hilux rear is now out, due to the offset rear output on the range rover.

new diffs are
obviously range rover = no thanks dont have them/want them

mq = nice and cheap + strong + have a set

bundy rear = same as hilux good ratios + small pumpkin + got one when my mate pulls a bundy apart.

hilux / bundy is winning at the moment due to the width which is 55.5 inches
wt zook is 52 inches

running the right rims (no offset) maybe rodeo if they fit, It will look prety stock.
would like some 16 inch rims maybe 17, makes tires look heaps smaller and keep car looking in much better proportions ie lift and tyres look alot less with bigger rims


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Post by germo »

a little progress has been made with the motor side of things.

I have the sr to c4 auto bell housing on and the c4 to hilux transfer case adaptor together

all up they equal 700mm from mounting surface to mounting surface

an intersting thing is that I measured under my LWB and from the bell housing mounting face to the input flange on the suzuki transfer is!

you guessed it, 700mm.
I need to work out how long a hilux transfer is from mounting face to output and compare the two but I think if the bell housings stay in the same spot the whole thing may be the same length as the suzuki combo!

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Post by SAWZALL »

Where did you get the SR to C4 bellhousing from?
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Post by germo »

i got this one off ebay, some guy had a shop build it for him.

but dellow automotive sell an sr20 to c4 bell housing, they quoted me 425 + gst.

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Post by v840 »

Im loving this Germo, keep the updates coming. :cool:
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Post by jonno_racing »

just a question..
the transfer addaptor appers to haev a MALE output..
thats not goning to line up withthe lux transfer.. i have one here...
the lux transfer has a male imput shaft that protudes about 5-6inches out of the box.. (i have a coupple of lux transfers here)
am i missing somthing or?
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Post by christover1 »

I think the extension housing is missing. You can fit a shorter one from another nissan, to fit better into a zook.
Just a wild guess, though.

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Post by Gwagensteve »

Christover - the gearbox in the pic is a ford C4 from a cortina, not a nissan gearbox.

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Post by christover1 »

Gwagensteve wrote:Christover - the gearbox in the pic is a ford C4 from a cortina, not a nissan gearbox.

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Post by v840 »

Isn't he using a C4?
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Post by Drewfus »

so when are we trial fitting it in....? hurry up and call me ;)

which diffs, have you decided yet?

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Post by germo »

hey drefus, long time no see.
I've been lazy. I wiil call!


ok to sort the confusion!
its a c4 auto and it only has the extension housing on it, as I dont have the rest of the adaptor kit.
this is - a new main shaft inside the gearbox which is shorter than the original
and there is a coupling that joins the c4 main shaft to the hilux transfer shaft with a female adaptor inside the rear housing in the picture

read this for more
https://eshop.advanceadapters.com/comme ... 0-4401.htm

bigger pic of adaptor
https://eshop.advanceadapters.com/comme ... 6719954788

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Post by germo »

I also measured a hilux transfer case today

and from the mounting face to the rear output flange is 325mm
and from the mounting face to the front output flange is 50mm

I havent measured the suzuki yet o see the difference, but its looking good so far!

and people said it would fit?

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Post by germo »

ok
my update is
from the bell housing to the rear output of the lwb suzuki is 1050mm

using the bell housing + c4 auto + adaptor + hilux transfer it comes to 1025mm

so dear watson gearbox issues seem to not be a problem and considering the body of a c4 is about the same size as a zook 5 sp then the tunnel may not need modifying, but I cannot confirm or deny this.


the motor has had the timing chain cover and oil pump removed, I got a second hand item off ebay for $20
the newer one is yet to be installed.

and I am waiting on word from my friend in the US of A about the c4 shaft and coupler

thats about all, but its nearly all here and then hopefully it will make its way into the lwb.

don't stress all my non power + sierra loving friends.
if this combo cant be in a lwb sierra for whatever reason, physically or rules. it will be in a 4wd. vit lwb or maybe a buggy, who knows.
but building this combo will never be a waist of time!!

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Post by Drewfus »

germo wrote: don't stress all my non power + sierra loving friends.
if this combo cant be in a lwb sierra for whatever reason, physically or rules. it will be in a 4wd. vit lwb or maybe a buggy, who knows.
but building this combo will never be a waist of time!!

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buggy...leave the LWB alone, either way it will end up on a trailer, so why give yourself the rego drama... ;) :D

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Post by germo »

Drewfus wrote:
germo wrote: don't stress all my non power + sierra loving friends.
if this combo cant be in a lwb sierra for whatever reason, physically or rules. it will be in a 4wd. vit lwb or maybe a buggy, who knows.
but building this combo will never be a waist of time!!

ashley
buggy...leave the LWB alone, either way it will end up on a trailer, so why give yourself the rego drama... ;) :D

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I think this can be achieved and I want a suzuki to drive.
I cant have a buggy and suzuki and a tow vehicle, budget and wife
happy wife happy life!

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Post by Drewfus »

germo wrote: I cant have a buggy and suzuki and a tow vehicle, budget and wife
happy wife happy life!

ashley
ahh....good learning young jedi warrior.....wait till kids then you can scrub items 1 & 2...and be borderline on the last... ;) :D

Either way, get cracking, summer is almost here, and times-a-ticking

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Post by jimbo jones »

ca18zook wrote:As i said the ca18 are a lot smaller motor and give u more room to move
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any more info on this conversion?
what gear box is it running? was the transfer moved back what eles was needed to fit it in is it turbo?

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Post by Gwagensteve »

The one in your photo is aspirated. (non turbo)

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Post by germo »

jimbo jones wrote:
ca18zook wrote:As i said the ca18 are a lot smaller motor and give u more room to move
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any more info on this conversion?
what gear box is it running? was the transfer moved back what eles was needed to fit it in is it turbo?

jimbo

ps sorry for the hijack
come on Jimbo, surely you can see there is no snail on the exhaust and that its using a standard air box straight into the inlet plenum!

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Post by tuf045 »

finished yet?
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Post by germo »

tuf045 wrote:finished yet?
haha funny

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Post by jimbo jones »

germo wrote:
jimbo jones wrote:
ca18zook wrote:As i said the ca18 are a lot smaller motor and give u more room to move


any more info on this conversion?
what gear box is it running? was the transfer moved back what eles was needed to fit it in is it turbo?

jimbo

ps sorry for the hijack
come on Jimbo, surely you can see there is no snail on the exhaust and that its using a standard air box straight into the inlet plenum!

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Post by ca18zook »

hey
some one found my car so i better reply
The ca18 fits good, tight but fits. It has changed a little now. Using a k&N filterand a new air box. There is room there to run a turbo but how much power do u want in a 4x4. Im building another ute right now for my brother. The tranfer had to be moved back and im running the standed ca18 box.
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Post by greg »

ca18zook wrote:hey
some one found my car so i better reply
The ca18 fits good, tight but fits. It has changed a little now. Using a k&N filterand a new air box. There is room there to run a turbo but how much power do u want in a 4x4. Im building another ute right now for my brother. The tranfer had to be moved back and im running the standed ca18 box.
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Any more info on this trent?

was there much tunnel work? auto or manual?

How much jack shaft did you end up with - and how much further back did you move the x-fer?

I gather you ended up with a thermo on the front of the radiator?

Sump Clearance? What diffs did you end with / is it spring over?

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Post by ca18zook »

yes had to move the xfer back around 150mm or so the fan is on front of the radatior. Still got the standed diffs and just a 50mm spring amd body lift.
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Post by chuckwilltalk »

im actually going to be doing a CA18 in my zook thanks to CA18ZUK's info on his swap, have also found the ca20 gearbox from a nissan pintara bolts straight up and is a shorter box so im hoping modified Driveshafts wont be nessacary.
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