Xtreme Production Winch Challenge (New Name)

[ofr57]

hi dave i was just wondering if you are allowed to change control arms to an after market version (off the shelf)

cheers
ofr57

[evo wagon]

whats the go with harness's or is seatbelts fine. also what bout things like uhf do you need to have one? or can you run without it as some ppl mite not be able to afford them

[ofr57]

whats the go with harness's or is seatbelts fine. also what bout things like uhf do you need to have one? or can you run without it as some ppl mite not be able to afford them

9:- Safety requirements will be a 4 point internal cage, harness (4 point) and window nets. Must be approved as legal fitment to your vehicle and plated.

[WOZ]

Well dave , by seting it up this way, most of the vehicles that are used every day are not allowed to compete. How can having to buy and set up another vehicle be called keeping costs down. I thought the idea of this was a street class for 4x4 owners that don`t want to have a full blown race truck but still would like to have a go. Some may go on and do xwc and some may be happy to do a minor class. The way i see it , if you don`t have a gq/gu td42t swb,ute or wagon you may as well spectate.

[XTREME MMM]

hi dave i was just wondering if you are allowed to change control arms to an after market version (off the shelf)

cheers
ofr57

Front lower arms must remain standard, castor bushes are allowed.

You are allowed adjustable panhard rods

Upper and lower rear arms may be aftermarket but not adjustable

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

whats the go with harness's or is seatbelts fine. also what bout things like uhf do you need to have one? or can you run without it as some ppl mite not be able to afford them

You will need a harness as answered before.

UHF radio - Yes - if you cannot afford a radio you cannot/shouldnot be competiting.

Cheers
David

[pigletracing]

hay WOZ,, there are alternatves to GQ / GU such as
range rovers they came out with coils, Aframe rear & V8 as standard..
Discoveries, as above but newer.
80 series cruisers
so theres a few optionsif you want coil,ive seen 2 door v8 rangies
starting at $1500

[XTREME MMM]

Well dave , by seting it up this way, most of the vehicles that are used every day are not allowed to compete. How can having to buy and set up another vehicle be called keeping costs down. I thought the idea of this was a street class for 4x4 owners that don`t want to have a full blown race truck but still would like to have a go. Some may go on and do xwc and some may be happy to do a minor class. The way i see it , if you don`t have a gq/gu td42t swb,ute or wagon you may as well spectate.

Mate I know what you are saying. But rules have to come into place to make this work.

Most of the questions I have been asked "can I take my diesel out and put in an EFI petrol or can I take my carby motor out and fit an EFI" answer:-

Unless it came out in that year NO.

If the excuss is it floods on hills, sorry. Fit it with gas. My old 2.8 would run on hills that you will be expected to do.

In my opinion the reason for the EFI swap is more power to get an edge. And in a very short time $$$$$$$$ and a heap of it, will be thrown at these motors as what has been done in XWC. After all any competition is competition and people want to win.

If this happened it could make it a very expensive sport, so we would be back to square one. Anothjer XWC with smaller tyres.

Now this has started I have a clear plan of what I want, if it does not work at least I have tried.

If anyone else wants to run an event go for it and they can have what ever rules they want.

This is what I feel is needed (now that I have committed after all these years of being asked) and it will bring new blood to other events not just the XWC. I have always tried to make Xtreme Event rules very fair with no one gaining from them.

Keep the questions coming.

Cheers
David

[pigletracing]

hey dave matty moors gq & skips gq are both carbied 4.2s & they both have competed in xwc events for some time,,this might give some people an idea
of what a non LPG carbied 4.2 petrol is capable of,,,,most peoples family busses are more capable than they think,,,& you dont need a fist full of $$$$ to have fun,there were a lot of guys who B/4 the mods went too far would drive there 80 series wagon to the event, take out the camping gear, baby seats, & move the cargo barrier up,,race for the weekend put it all back then drive home,,,, its all good

[chev]

Hi Dave
i have a cut down patrol wagen to dual cab is that ok

[fordy1]

this all sounds great, i would love to compete and see all the zooks run over the top of Nissans....

MMMMmmm Grand Vitara with 3inch lift, tyres and a whinch

on the rops thing utes cant have an internal as in queensland you cannot have barwork forward of the driver so if you use a ute u will have to have a expensive rops tray or second hand

specs on rops should be available from mine corp in brisbane...

and a short question - Snorkels? and under body bash plates??

thanks

tim

[XTREME MMM]

Hi Dave
i have a cut down patrol wagen to dual cab is that ok

If everything else complies that is OK as long as chassis has not been shortened

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

this all sounds great, i would love to compete and see all the zooks run over the top of Nissans....

MMMMmmm Grand Vitara with 3inch lift, tyres and a whinch

on the rops thing utes cant have an internal as in queensland you cannot have barwork forward of the driver so if you use a ute u will have to have a expensive rops tray or second hand

specs on rops should be available from mine corp in brisbane...

and a short question - Snorkels? and under body bash plates??

thanks

tim

Just to clear a few things:-


1:- You cannot have a 3" lift in a Vitara, you are only allowed to go 1/3rd more then standard bump stop height. By doing this it keeps the vehicle legal.

2:-Hate to disagree but Queensland Dept of Transport rules allow roll cages starting at the "A" Pillar. I know I have had mine over the pits.

3:- Snorkles would be very advisable and I have no problems with under body bash plates.

Cheers
David

[Clayton's Racing]

Can you mid mount your winch?

[fordy1]

Thanks dave but unsure how to calculate 1/3 more than bump stop?? and it also just got me thinking - vehicle with are bags and no off the shelf whinch bar available - what would be the go??

the roll cage thing is interesting as in my day job we supply rops to NSW and QLD and we were under the impression that nothing was alowed infront of the driver for QLD.

thanks

tim

[Taff]

i have a 6 point plated cage that goes right down my A pilllar and even a bar over the dash in the zook..


Pity about the 'no transfer gears' - that rules out nearly every sierra that gets used offroad.

[XTREME MMM]

Can you mid mount your winch?

Mike the answer is no, it must be fitted to front of vehicle.

To make it a bit easier for everyone, here are the vehicle requirements rules so far. Missing are the Roll Cage Spec, these still have to be written and added. Hope this helps.

5A. Body/Chassis

A1. Chassis, body and doors to be compatible in that model range.

Approved:-
• Modify body etc:- Wagon into ute/dual cab, modification to be DOT plated.
• Guards may be modified but no sharp edges allowed.
• Install aftermarket gauges and accessories.
• Original dash to remain.
• 50mm body lift, to be approved by Dept of Transport.

Not approved:-
• Aftermarket panels etc:- Fibreglass, Kevlar or Resin.
• Removal of inner guards.

A2. Full harnesses will be fitted for all occupants, the minimum being a four point full harness, and will comply at least with AS2596, E35, SFI16.1, FIA Standard 8853 or 8854, 8853/98 or 8854/98 or European Standard ECE R-16). The full harness must not be frayed, torn or damaged in any way.

In all cases of mounting the following must be observed:-
• Floor mounting points must be reinforced with a 3mm steel plate of at least 75mm x 50mm on the under side of the body.

• Full harness rear mounting point or points must be to a substantial part of the vehicles structure, reinforced as may be appropriate or to the roll cage.

Full harness will be approved and plated by the Transport Department or Engineer in state of registration. A Statutory Declaration signed by the owner stating that the mounting complies with Xtreme Winch Challenge or Xtreme International Rule #5A (A2) and that they take full responsibility for installation of the full harness into the vehicle, is also required.

A3. The chassis can be strengthened but not shortened.

A4. A recovery point (painted red) is required for both the front and rear of the vehicle and if mounted to the chassis a minimum of two 12mm, or four 10mm, grade 8 (or equivalent) high tensile bolts be used. Minimum recovery point is a rated lifting lug (1.4T) with a 19mm thread.

A5. Items carried in the vehicle must be secured adequately while the vehicle is in motion.

A6. Vehicles shall be fitted with a full internal roll cage starting at the “B” pillar.

A7. Doors and window nets must be fitted to all vehicles. The window net must cover 70% of the window opening. The net shall be made of a non-flammable material with mesh size no greater than 50mm, fitted to the driver and co driver door or roll over protection structure above the driver and co driver window. It must be secured in such a way that it can be removed at any time from both inside and outside the vehicle with the door closed.

A8. Wagons and dual cabs will have a metal cargo barrier fitted immediately behind driver and co-driver seats. Rear seats to be retained.


5B. Engines

• Engine must be standard fitment as the year of build in Australian Model Range.
• Engine is allowed to have after market accessories fitted.
• Aftermarket turbo allowed on diesel. No superchargers.
• OE Intercooler/turbo combination allowed if fitted as per year of build in Australian Model Range.
• Radiator to remain in original position.
• No aftermarket computers or chipping allowed.
• No turbo or superchargers allowed on petrol motors.

5C. Fuel Systems

• Pump fuel only.
• No boost additives allowed.
• Fuel tank to stay in original position, but may be raised.
• LPG is allowed to be fitted to petrol motors.
• Diesel Injector Pump as per year of build in Australian Model Range.

The Competition Manager reserves the right to reject any fuel system that is deemed to be unsafe or does not conform.



5D. Transmission

• Original transmission as per year of build in Australian Model Range.

• Aftermarket internal/external reduction gears not allowed.

5E. Driveline

• Must use Vehicle Manufacture’s front and rear differential as per year of build in Australian Model Range. Fitted with at least one differential lock. Welded differential carriers not premitted.

Allowed:-
• Gear ratios.
• Locking differentials.
• Reinforce housings.
• Aftermarket axles and modified CV’s.

5F. Suspension

Allowed:-
• Aftermarket springs, shocks, panhard and radius rods.
• Offset castor correction bushes.
• Shackle reversal. Must be DOT plated.
• Lift allowed is 1/3rd increase in bump stop height.

Not allowed:-
• Changing the original spring, bump stop and shock absorber mounting points.
• Altering wheelbase more then 35mm of standard.
• Dual shock absorbers.
• Non genuine, hydraulic or air bump stops.
• Powered or manually operated active suspension that adjusts each wheel individually.
• Extended shackles/hangers.
• Aftermarket front control arms.
• Drop boxes.
• Spring over.


5G. Wheels and Tyres

G1. Tyre and wheel combinations:- 845mm x 330mm
(Measurements are horizontal with tyre pressure at 24psi)
Wheel and tyre combinations can protrude past the vehicle body but such protrusions must be covered by flare material.

G2. Agricultural tyres and wheel chains of any type are prohibited.

G3. Track to remain within 50mm of standard.

G4. Beadlocks not allowed.

G5. Tyres to be load and speed rated compatible to vehicle.

5H. Electrical System

H1. A mechanical battery isolation switch is to be fitted to the battery or batteries providing power to the competing vehicles electrics, this is to be placed within reach of driver and co-driver whilst secured in vehicle. (The winch circuit is exempted).

H2. Dual (2) battery system.

H3. Only 1 alternator.

H4. External power sources/invertors are not allowed.

5I. Winch (Minimum 8000lb)

I1. Only one forward mounted winch readily available to the general public and fitted to the front of vehicle.

Allowed:-
• Reinforcing the rear of winch.
• Brake shaft (8274) can be drilled & have end cap fitted.
• Contactor pack.
• Motors supplied by original manufacturer that requires no modifications to fit.
• Ox (TJM) Hydraulic Winches allowed but must use original power steering pump.

Not allowed:-
• 24volt system unless standard in vehicle, must run 24v winch motor.
• Any form of non genuine mechanical or air disengagement.
• Air or mechanical free spool.
• Modification or replacement of original internal components, etc shafts and gears.
• PTO winches
• Wider drums.

I2. Winches shall be fitted with an automatic brake.

I3. Winch cable must be in serviceable condition.

I4. Winch cable hooks must have a working safety catch (No open hooks)

I5. Winch cables shall be of high tensile steel compatible to your winches rating. Mild steel cables, with a hemp center, are not allowed.
Synthetic rope is allowed, but it is the owner’s responsibility that the synthetic rope is rated the same or better than the standard cable used on the vehicles winches.

I6. Steel cables will have professionally swaged loops. Synthetic rope will be spliced.

I7. Winch cables are to be fully spooled at the start of each SS.

I8. Winch cable is allowed to be wrapped at the finish of an SS. The protruding “horns” must not be pointy and be made of material with a minimum radius of 50mm, length and distance apart is optional.

I9. Rigging will be done to the safe working capacity of the equipment.

I10. Cable dampener is to be placed in centre third of winch cable at start of winching.

NOTE:- Rules are in draft format, change could happen.

Keep the question coming

Yes you may think that this is being a bit hard on some vehicles, yes it is to keep it fair.

It is not if you have not got another event that you can enter with a vehicle outside these rules, you have, the XWC.

There is an event for all vehicles some strict some not.

Keep the question coming.

Cheers
David

[thegrantmob]

This is an awsom Idea. In the process of building up a shorty MQ Patrol. Have 33s, 2in lift, 2in spring. Just got front & rear lockers. Will now Just have to fit 4 point cage, winch and harness. What is the minimum age for a Navigator, my 14 yr old son is dead keen. Let us know when & where???!!!

[XTREME MMM]

Thanks dave but unsure how to calculate 1/3 more than bump stop?? and it also just got me thinking - vehicle with are bags and no off the shelf whinch bar available - what would be the go??

thanks

tim

Hi Tim, suspension height is calculated by measuring the vehicle at full drupe (spelling?) etc wheels hanging. Between bump stop and where it hits on diff housing. You are allowed to increase that by 1/3rd. etc:- if it were 300mm you could increase that to 400mm = 100mm this measurement should be shared both up and down evenly. Which would mean a lift of between 50mm and 75mm, making it road legal.

You would find that 50mm on a Patrol or Cruiser is OK, 75mm would just scrape in.

As for the airbag question, that is up to the owner to get a compatible winch bar. I very much doubt that we will see an airbagged vehicle competing. That question would also fall into the area:- "Not my problem".

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

This is an awsom Idea. In the process of building up a shorty MQ Patrol. Have 33s, 2in lift, 2in spring. Just got front & rear lockers. Will now Just have to fit 4 point cage, winch and harness. What is the minimum age for a Navigator, my 14 yr old son is dead keen. Let us know when & where???!!!

Codrivers must be 15 in the year of competition. That would mean your son will be 15 in 2009 making him your codriver for the Series.

Will be looking at venue in the next couple of weeks.

First Round will be 6th - 8th March 2009.

Cheers
David

[HeathGQ]

you've got us thinking...

[rocketman]

hey dave boyley here just regarding this rear seat deal in the back of wagons what if the seating capacity is changed to a two seater by a mod plate do we have to still leve rear seats in even if rollcage limits access into back doors and rear seating cheers boyley

[XTREME MMM]

hey dave boyley here just regarding this rear seat deal in the back of wagons what if the seating capacity is changed to a two seater by a mod plate do we have to still leve rear seats in even if rollcage limits access into back doors and rear seating cheers boyley

For that one I will allow if you have had it complied back too a 2 seater. It will have to have a DOT LK1 plate fitted.


Cheers
David

[basketcase]

Are the Diff gear ratios allowed to be aftermarket??

[XTREME MMM]

Are the Diff gear ratios allowed to be aftermarket??

YES

[gut42]

can we bring our vehicle to you to go over and let us know what to do to fit into a class?

have you thought about running an extreme class with these guys? Alot of us already have 4inch lift, 35's, beadlocks, drop arms/boxes and stanard type engine mods for 4x4ing with our mates or clubs. We want to compete but dont wont run with the big boys.

What are your thoughts Dave?

[XTREME MMM]

can we bring our vehicle to you to go over and let us know what to do to fit into a class?

have you thought about running an extreme class with these guys? Alot of us already have 4inch lift, 35's, beadlocks, drop arms/boxes and stanard type engine mods for 4x4ing with our mates or clubs. We want to compete but dont wont run with the big boys.

What are your thoughts Dave?

Hi, most of what you listed is illigal on the road. But not to worry on my shorty I have been running 35's for more then 6 years.

If anyone is interested I am prepared to put on an info day. I can check vehicles and answer any questions direct.

Best date for me will be Sunday 21st September. So if anyone is interested, BYO bbq lunch and drinks at my place. I can have a look and advise if necessary.

Mate you do not have to worry about the big boys I was out there for 4SS in Stirlo's event and had fun, it was the first time (apart from twice in Malaysia) that I have driven in competition since '98. Some of you guys would still have been at Primary School then. If I can compete with them anyone can. Those guys are only too happy to advise and give you tips. It is not them that you have to worry about, could be me


I can also look at any vehicle before that when I am home.

Or come and talk to me at the EFS mini XI.

Going to the Cape (survey for Angel Adventure) end of August and back on deck 15th September.

Cheers
David

[gut42]

Are you saying I should do the SSS winch challenge and not an xwc?

Will adjustable panhards allowed?

Would be keen on the gps stages.

You could penalize trucks like mine on a percentage points system where you only get 75% of your score as a penalty for having a mod.

[BigrigCQ]

Hi, I think this is a great idea!

Where were you thinking of to hold the event.
The boys in CQ would be up for this!
Will extra cab patrols be allowed with the mods you have listed.
CQ needs a lot more events.

[Sic Lux]

HiWill extra cab patrols be allowed with the mods you have listed.

so long as it's mod plated i'd say so

Hi Dave
i have a cut down patrol wagen to dual cab is that ok

If everything else complies that is OK as long as chassis has not been shortened

Cheers
David