Who wants them there??STIKA wrote:I agree fully Pete,
So why have buggies at an event that isn't designed for them.
& what is your definition of a buggy?
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Who wants them there??STIKA wrote:I agree fully Pete,
So why have buggies at an event that isn't designed for them.
What about the poor bugger behind you.We got to break something for you just so you didn't feel bad.This year we have a winch& membership of the Bronco recovery teamShady wrote:I loved Toperi last year . It was the first event I have driven my truck to the 100 point marker at any event & I managed to do it twice once with help by a winch & once with no assistance and the best thing was it was the first time I didn,t break anything . I think the Bronco is now strong enough , I just need to learn how to drive it .
If they have gone to the effort of rego and engineers cert, I don't have a drama with them competing.Strange Rover wrote:So how do you stop them from turning up with their rego and engineers cert?Slunnie wrote:Which answers the buggies at Toperi question.STIKA wrote:I agree fully Pete,
So why have buggies at an event that isn't designed for them.
Sorry Pete, I thought you were for the buggiesTEAM OPW wrote:Who wants them there??STIKA wrote:I agree fully Pete,
So why have buggies at an event that isn't designed for them.
& what is your definition of a buggy?
Easy...something that looks like a buggy...generally is a buggy.TEAM OPW wrote: & what is your definition of a buggy?
Bearing in mind that I'm not privy to this type of discussion in event management, but as you've said above in defining what it needs to be rather than what it can not be which is a more efficient control method and closes the the engineering saga by having internal and consistent controls.Strange Rover wrote:So how do you stop them from turning up with their rego and engineers cert?Slunnie wrote:Which answers the buggies at Toperi question.STIKA wrote:I agree fully Pete,
So why have buggies at an event that isn't designed for them.
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Thats it, everybody builds to the rules, but the vehicles have probably outdeveloped the rules for what the original intents were.STIKA wrote:If they have gone to the effort of rego and engineers cert, I don't have a drama with them competing.Strange Rover wrote:So how do you stop them from turning up with their rego and engineers cert?Slunnie wrote:Which answers the buggies at Toperi question.STIKA wrote:I agree fully Pete,
So why have buggies at an event that isn't designed for them.
one really easy way of seperating classes is to have the diffs come from the original vehicle being entered, so mogs have mog diffs, cruisers run toyota diffs, nissan run nissan diffs.Strange Rover wrote:Easy...something that looks like a buggy...generally is a buggy.TEAM OPW wrote: & what is your definition of a buggy?
Probably easier to define what is a truck...
A truck has...
Unmodified, origional dimension chassis rails from the centre line of the front axle to the rear of the B pillar...(body swaps allowed)
Full firewall and floor pan to the rear of the B pillar...clearancing allowed for engine/ gearbox/ transfer. Clearancing not allowed for chassis rails.
Trucks must have bonnets, outer front guards, grill and headlights and doors...no boat siding (boat siding is when you taper the sides of the body back towards the chassis...you know...like what buggies have)
Then I would go for tuff trucks 80% rule on the front and side profiles but I would only allow for material removal only...no scaling or narrowing allowed...trucks must retain headlights and origional lines of bonnet, front guards and grill.
Trucks must retain at least 25mm vertical component of front guard around wheel arch...this means you can cut your front guards for more clearance but some vertical portion of the origional guard must remain...when trucks loose the front guards they really start to look like buggies IMO.
There is probably other stuff as well but basically buggies generally have no chassis and no body panels that let them sit very low with lots of suspension travel.
Real trucks tend to sit heigher to clear big tyres and big suspension travel while still retaining origional body work.
Performance wise the difference between the two is very little if you run them on tuff truck style courses...its just that the real trucks look so much better doing it IMO. Put a low COG buggy on the same courses...add rear steer and portals and they can just drive where ever they want with very little care.
Sam
I think that is what has happening and will continue to happen.Slunnie wrote:Thats it, everybody builds to the rules, but the vehicles have probably outdeveloped the rules for what the original intents were.
Tuff Truck runs under CCDA dosen't clarify anything. They just excluded some bitsCoighty wrote:If people need an explanation of what seperates a buggy from a truck it's usually the ones trying to push the rules, i think theres only 1 solution thats obvious run CCDA rules for vehicle classing, the rules are very clear as to what you can and can't do to fit into a class push the rules and go into the next class, if they don't have a class for you to compete stay at home and read the rules properly next time. This way you know when you turn up to a comp with CCDA rules you know what class your in before you leave home.
It looks good BUT don't make it too hard as it will be hard on you guys running the event and also allows errors in scoring etc.Toperi wrote:After a commitee meeting we have decided that if its registered you can enter the main comp, we are still looking into running a second class just for unregistered vehicles.
What we are proposing to do this year is have time penalties on a team depending on modifications. For instance, All teams will have 28 mins to do all 4 stages. Rear steer -4 mins, Coilovers Fr/Rear -3 mins, Hydraulic Suspension -2 min, 42" Tyres -2 mins, 40" Tyres -1 min etc. We will work out a full range. This would mean Team OPW would only have 17 mins to complete all 4 stages ( the 2 cars). Last year his team took 20.5 mins.
The more standard teams will have all thier 28 mins, time to rock pack, squeeze into tricky bonus garages etc.
What do you all think of this system?
Toperi wrote:After a commitee meeting we have decided that if its registered you can enter the main comp, we are still looking into running a second class just for unregistered vehicles.
What we are proposing to do this year is have time penalties on a team depending on modifications. For instance, All teams will have 28 mins to do all 4 stages. Rear steer -4 mins, Coilovers Fr/Rear -3 mins, Hydraulic Suspension -2 min, 42" Tyres -2 mins, 40" Tyres -1 min etc. We will work out a full range. This would mean Team OPW would only have 17 mins to complete all 4 stages ( the 2 cars). Last year his team took 20.5 mins.
The more standard teams will have all thier 28 mins, time to rock pack, squeeze into tricky bonus garages etc.
What do you all think of this system?
I agree. Last year we got 7th(yes my team mate did have 40's coilover) but i only got snatched by him once and was very happy with our results and i drove the ute homeblade 929 wrote:Toperi wrote:After a commitee meeting we have decided that if its registered you can enter the main comp, we are still looking into running a second class just for unregistered vehicles.
What we are proposing to do this year is have time penalties on a team depending on modifications. For instance, All teams will have 28 mins to do all 4 stages. Rear steer -4 mins, Coilovers Fr/Rear -3 mins, Hydraulic Suspension -2 min, 42" Tyres -2 mins, 40" Tyres -1 min etc. We will work out a full range. This would mean Team OPW would only have 17 mins to complete all 4 stages ( the 2 cars). Last year his team took 20.5 mins.
The more standard teams will have all thier 28 mins, time to rock pack, squeeze into tricky bonus garages etc.
What do you all think of this system?
sounds good but at the same time don't penalise the modded trucks to much or us smaller cars will lose any real bragging rights , i'd rather have our team come 10th as we did last year knowing we were up against big modded rigs than come 3rd only because the big rigs were penalized so much they didn't get a chance to run the final course .
don't follow k rudd and try to bridge the gap between the haves and have nots to much , its all about competion , just do what ever and will all still come anyways , its that good a comp .
jai
I love it !! Bring it on , everyone come & have a ball at the best event in NSW. On Ya Canobolas Club.Toperi wrote:After a commitee meeting we have decided that if its registered you can enter the main comp, we are still looking into running a second class just for unregistered vehicles.
What we are proposing to do this year is have time penalties on a team depending on modifications. For instance, All teams will have 28 mins to do all 4 stages. Rear steer -4 mins, Coilovers Fr/Rear -3 mins, Hydraulic Suspension -2 min, 42" Tyres -2 mins, 40" Tyres -1 min etc. We will work out a full range. This would mean Team OPW would only have 17 mins to complete all 4 stages ( the 2 cars). Last year his team took 20.5 mins.
The more standard teams will have all thier 28 mins, time to rock pack, squeeze into tricky bonus garages etc.
What do you all think of this system?
Sounds ExcellentToperi wrote:After a commitee meeting we have decided that if its registered you can enter the main comp, we are still looking into running a second class just for unregistered vehicles.
What we are proposing to do this year is have time penalties on a team depending on modifications. For instance, All teams will have 28 mins to do all 4 stages. Rear steer -4 mins, Coilovers Fr/Rear -3 mins, Hydraulic Suspension -2 min, 42" Tyres -2 mins, 40" Tyres -1 min etc. We will work out a full range. This would mean Team OPW would only have 17 mins to complete all 4 stages ( the 2 cars). Last year his team took 20.5 mins.
The more standard teams will have all thier 28 mins, time to rock pack, squeeze into tricky bonus garages etc.
What do you all think of this system?
Sounds Great... But I have a few questions..3.8BUNDY wrote:Sounds ExcellentToperi wrote:After a commitee meeting we have decided that if its registered you can enter the main comp, we are still looking into running a second class just for unregistered vehicles.
What we are proposing to do this year is have time penalties on a team depending on modifications. For instance, All teams will have 28 mins to do all 4 stages. Rear steer -4 mins, Coilovers Fr/Rear -3 mins, Hydraulic Suspension -2 min, 42" Tyres -2 mins, 40" Tyres -1 min etc. We will work out a full range. This would mean Team OPW would only have 17 mins to complete all 4 stages ( the 2 cars). Last year his team took 20.5 mins.
The more standard teams will have all thier 28 mins, time to rock pack, squeeze into tricky bonus garages etc.
What do you all think of this system?
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