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redzook wrote:looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
id rather see more technical driving then put your foot down and hope u make it.
my 2cents
Dont worry
there will be about 50% slow crawling obstacles and about 50% climbs.
Now if you think that rock crawling is only about driving around at 120:1 you need to get out more and have a look at what the rest of the world is doing.
Sam
Strange Rover wrote:redzook wrote:looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
id rather see more technical driving then put your foot down and hope u make it.
my 2cents
Dont worry
Now if you think that rock crawling is only about driving around at 120:1 you need to get out more and have a look at what the rest of the world is doing.
Sam
ahhh just the vid everything was full noise!
dont worry i will still be there
watchingI just want to make a point about the obstacles that will be there.
In the clips you saw a lot of Adrian and myself driving around at full noise with lots of wheelspeed. We drive like this because this is how we like to drive but in order to drive these obstacles you dont need anywhere near the wheel speed or horsepower that we are using. Beebee with his 4 cyl hilux easily drove the hardest lines there (except the one Adrian drove and he was the only one to drive that one) and if he could get his motor to run properly on a 45 degree incline would have driven everything so much more easily. Beebee has got 4.7:1 transfer gears and could drive most of the climbs in 1st gear. On a few of the bigger ledges he had to use 2nd gear and would have problems cause his motor wouldnt run properly - if he had a motor that would run on inclines (and hopefully he will) he wont have any problems on the ledges.
The courses are setup to produce incredible driving. The few spectators that we had there were totally blown away. They were totally amazed at what we could drive our rigs over.
Sam
In the clips you saw a lot of Adrian and myself driving around at full noise with lots of wheelspeed. We drive like this because this is how we like to drive but in order to drive these obstacles you dont need anywhere near the wheel speed or horsepower that we are using. Beebee with his 4 cyl hilux easily drove the hardest lines there (except the one Adrian drove and he was the only one to drive that one) and if he could get his motor to run properly on a 45 degree incline would have driven everything so much more easily. Beebee has got 4.7:1 transfer gears and could drive most of the climbs in 1st gear. On a few of the bigger ledges he had to use 2nd gear and would have problems cause his motor wouldnt run properly - if he had a motor that would run on inclines (and hopefully he will) he wont have any problems on the ledges.
The courses are setup to produce incredible driving. The few spectators that we had there were totally blown away. They were totally amazed at what we could drive our rigs over.
Sam
redzook wrote:Strange Rover wrote:redzook wrote:looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
id rather see more technical driving then put your foot down and hope u make it.
my 2cents
Dont worry
Now if you think that rock crawling is only about driving around at 120:1 you need to get out more and have a look at what the rest of the world is doing.
Sam
ahhh just the vid everything was full noise!
dont worry i will still be there
Watch the video again -I will bet that there is more slow crawling in the video than full throttle stuff.
The full throttle is more impressive isnt it
Sam
redzook wrote:looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
id rather see more technical driving then put your foot down and hope u make it.
my 2cents
looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
Well if thats the case then wheres all these big 454 big blocks???????
As for the Technical Vs Throttle.
Like Sam said 50% are technical and the other 50% is Throttle!
I really can not understand WHY people are so scared of moving FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys check out the CURRENT USA comps and see how much Throttle they use!
There is THREE main reasons the sport has gone this way in the States (and will go this way here too).
1. The crowd loves seeing FULL THROTTLE ACTION, no matter what the motorsport crowds LOVE the loud noise and the action it produces!
2. The Competitors Love it, for the same reason as above!
3. As Cars, skills and number of competitors increase so must the need for more challenging terrain. There becomes a point when everyone can crawl over a Rock the size of a car, but how many can get over a rock the size of 4 cars???????????
I don't believe that anyone can say they can sit and watch a RIG SCRATCHING its way threw a PEBBLE field at 6 metres an HOUR!
Now the other thing is, the guys on the VIDEO love to drive that style, FULL THROTTLE WHEN ITS NEEDED!!!!! If you have your own style that you think is just as effective that lets see it!!!!!!!!!!
On the Vid we wanted as much full throttle as possible to get people excited!!! There was plenty of times when we took it easy and picked our way threw the rocks!!!
Redzook if you don't agree with the direction of how rockcrawling in Australia (and the rest of the world) is going than maybe YOU can get a PURE CRAWLING event started down that way.
I currently have 3 Guys from NSW that will come up here and match it up!!! They do not care how it has to be driven, how big the rocks are, how dusty it is, how much throttle to use, they are just full on wheelers that love to come up and wheel and put on one hell of a show!!
If only more of us had there ATTITUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just something about the crawling/throttle debate.
With my lux I don`t like full throttle when on rock, why? Because things CAN!!!!! happen so much quicker and damage can be a lot bigger. I have to many $$$$$ in the lux to do that to it and can not afford to trash it (I have 4 kids to feed as well as my love of 4x4ing). I will how ever use full throttle if crawling simply will not work and take the risk off coming unstuck.
Now come about 2 to 3 yrs time when I build the rig I have plained (this is when I will be able to aford another rig) I will happly drive it as hard as possible and will not care if it rolls 4 or 5 times before stopping.
Crawling has its good and bad points and times when it works and times when it doesn`t and the same goes for full throttle driving.
If you read this as me being a soft rooster then owell to bad for me, I`m over it allready
With my lux I don`t like full throttle when on rock, why? Because things CAN!!!!! happen so much quicker and damage can be a lot bigger. I have to many $$$$$ in the lux to do that to it and can not afford to trash it (I have 4 kids to feed as well as my love of 4x4ing). I will how ever use full throttle if crawling simply will not work and take the risk off coming unstuck.
Now come about 2 to 3 yrs time when I build the rig I have plained (this is when I will be able to aford another rig) I will happly drive it as hard as possible and will not care if it rolls 4 or 5 times before stopping.
Crawling has its good and bad points and times when it works and times when it doesn`t and the same goes for full throttle driving.
If you read this as me being a soft rooster then owell to bad for me, I`m over it allready
POS wrote:redzook wrote:looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
id rather see more technical driving then put your foot down and hope u make it.
my 2cents
looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
Well if thats the case then wheres all these big 454 big blocks???????
As for the Technical Vs Throttle.
Like Sam said 50% are technical and the other 50% is Throttle!
I really can not understand WHY people are so scared of moving FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys check out the CURRENT USA comps and see how much Throttle they use!
There is THREE main reasons the sport has gone this way in the States (and will go this way here too).
1. The crowd loves seeing FULL THROTTLE ACTION, no matter what the motorsport crowds LOVE the loud noise and the action it produces!
2. The Competitors Love it, for the same reason as above!
3. As Cars, skills and number of competitors increase so must the need for more challenging terrain. There becomes a point when everyone can crawl over a Rock the size of a car, but how many can get over a rock the size of 4 cars???????????
I don't believe that anyone can say they can sit and watch a RIG SCRATCHING its way threw a PEBBLE field at 6 metres an HOUR!
Now the other thing is, the guys on the VIDEO love to drive that style, FULL THROTTLE WHEN ITS NEEDED!!!!! If you have your own style that you think is just as effective that lets see it!!!!!!!!!!
On the Vid we wanted as much full throttle as possible to get people excited!!! There was plenty of times when we took it easy and picked our way threw the rocks!!!
Redzook if you don't agree with the direction of how rockcrawling in Australia (and the rest of the world) is going than maybe YOU can get a PURE CRAWLING event started down that way.
I currently have 3 Guys from NSW that will come up here and match it up!!! They do not care how it has to be driven, how big the rocks are, how dusty it is, how much throttle to use, they are just full on wheelers that love to come up and wheel and put on one hell of a show!!
If only more of us had there ATTITUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats with the dig at me?
the vid is 100% full noise i said "id rather see more technical driving"(meaning the comp).
then strange rover said its 50% crawling 50% gettin it so it should be sweet.
dont worry i would be up there competing to if i didnt have to drive my zuk up there and drive it home then to work the next day
Guts wrote:Just something about the crawling/throttle debate.
With my lux I don`t like full throttle when on rock, why? Because things CAN!!!!! happen so much quicker and damage can be a lot bigger. I have to many $$$$$ in the lux to do that to it and can not afford to trash it (I have 4 kids to feed as well as my love of 4x4ing). I will how ever use full throttle if crawling simply will not work and take the risk off coming unstuck.
Now come about 2 to 3 yrs time when I build the rig I have plained (this is when I will be able to aford another rig) I will happly drive it as hard as possible and will not care if it rolls 4 or 5 times before stopping.
Crawling has its good and bad points and times when it works and times when it doesn`t and the same goes for full throttle driving.
If you read this as me being a soft rooster then owell to bad for me, I`m over it allready
Guts i don't think anyone will have a go at you as what you have said is dead right!
There is a place and time for both styles.
It just that with the way the terrain and difficulty of comps is going calls for more throttle more times than not!
redzook wrote:POS wrote:redzook wrote:looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
id rather see more technical driving then put your foot down and hope u make it.
my 2cents
looks like "who has got the biggest engine" not rockcrawling
Well if thats the case then wheres all these big 454 big blocks???????
As for the Technical Vs Throttle.
Like Sam said 50% are technical and the other 50% is Throttle!
I really can not understand WHY people are so scared of moving FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys check out the CURRENT USA comps and see how much Throttle they use!
There is THREE main reasons the sport has gone this way in the States (and will go this way here too).
1. The crowd loves seeing FULL THROTTLE ACTION, no matter what the motorsport crowds LOVE the loud noise and the action it produces!
2. The Competitors Love it, for the same reason as above!
3. As Cars, skills and number of competitors increase so must the need for more challenging terrain. There becomes a point when everyone can crawl over a Rock the size of a car, but how many can get over a rock the size of 4 cars???????????
I don't believe that anyone can say they can sit and watch a RIG SCRATCHING its way threw a PEBBLE field at 6 metres an HOUR!
Now the other thing is, the guys on the VIDEO love to drive that style, FULL THROTTLE WHEN ITS NEEDED!!!!! If you have your own style that you think is just as effective that lets see it!!!!!!!!!!
On the Vid we wanted as much full throttle as possible to get people excited!!! There was plenty of times when we took it easy and picked our way threw the rocks!!!
Redzook if you don't agree with the direction of how rockcrawling in Australia (and the rest of the world) is going than maybe YOU can get a PURE CRAWLING event started down that way.
I currently have 3 Guys from NSW that will come up here and match it up!!! They do not care how it has to be driven, how big the rocks are, how dusty it is, how much throttle to use, they are just full on wheelers that love to come up and wheel and put on one hell of a show!!
If only more of us had there ATTITUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats with the dig at me?
the vid is 100% full noise i said "id rather see more technical driving"(meaning the comp).
then strange rover said its 50% crawling 50% gettin it so it should be sweet.
dont worry i would be up there competing to if i didnt have to drive my zuk up there and drive it home then to work the next day
My Dig at you comes from your comment saying that its "Looks like Who has the biggest engine wins NOT ROCKCRAWLING"
I was pointing out that, this is not the case!!!
And if you do not agree with the style or terrain of PUOSU then maybe Australia can use another "Rock CRAWLING comp"!!!
Meening that we have designed this comp this way (in the way we see OZ EXTREME rock Crawling should go) and if you want a COMP that is more CRAWLING/Technical and suits your requirements than maybe you need to organise one yourself! It all helps in making the sport of Rock Crawling grow! I doesn't matter to me i will still come down and compete no matter what the style or terrain!!
POS wrote:It just that with the way the terrain and difficulty of comps is going calls for more throttle more times than not!
I wouldn`t say more times then not, but what I will say is more than it used to and alot of the time you only have a very small spot to gas it. What I mean is if you gas it 100mm to soon it will not work, if you gas it 100mm to late it want work and you only have a 100mm where if you gas it in it will work. Does that make sense?
I don`t like the full throttle aproarch but sometimes you just have to and yes it is more oftne than it was.
Having been there, this was my take on the weekend..
This organisation of this event is looking to be top notch.. It's taking the best of what spectators want, what competitors want, and taking it to the next level.. I assume it's not intended as a comp for all vehicles, as most people who believe they have a capable rig will just be left scratching their heads after watching this event..
There is a blend between technical and climbs.. More of the technical driving was left out of the vid as it's slow.. POS did a wicked three point turn down there and it looks great on video, but it took 44 seconds all up, so you only see a small section of it.. The other part you might miss through the short clips is that these guys can really drive.. Some of the lines they took, the angles they got on, etc, were great to watch.. It is not just go hard and see what happens..
The terrain is excellent (and yes it's rock).. it'll make for good driving and spectating.. one area is like a natural amphitheatre and will make for good viewing..
Heavy on the agenda down there were safety, quick recoveries, keeping the action flowing, best viewing for spectators, etc.. It's been well thought out and if it runs to plan, it will be an excellent event.
If you get a chance, go and see it.. and save your constructive criticisms for after the event where they can be put to good use making the next one (if there is one) even bigger and better.. In my opinion, this will be by far the best event to spectate at out of everything on the calendar..
This organisation of this event is looking to be top notch.. It's taking the best of what spectators want, what competitors want, and taking it to the next level.. I assume it's not intended as a comp for all vehicles, as most people who believe they have a capable rig will just be left scratching their heads after watching this event..
There is a blend between technical and climbs.. More of the technical driving was left out of the vid as it's slow.. POS did a wicked three point turn down there and it looks great on video, but it took 44 seconds all up, so you only see a small section of it.. The other part you might miss through the short clips is that these guys can really drive.. Some of the lines they took, the angles they got on, etc, were great to watch.. It is not just go hard and see what happens..
The terrain is excellent (and yes it's rock).. it'll make for good driving and spectating.. one area is like a natural amphitheatre and will make for good viewing..
Heavy on the agenda down there were safety, quick recoveries, keeping the action flowing, best viewing for spectators, etc.. It's been well thought out and if it runs to plan, it will be an excellent event.
If you get a chance, go and see it.. and save your constructive criticisms for after the event where they can be put to good use making the next one (if there is one) even bigger and better.. In my opinion, this will be by far the best event to spectate at out of everything on the calendar..
this dont sound like rock crawling or drag racing it sounds like a bunch of people argueing about shiat.
i like 2 c both sides of it slow technical crawling and i love 2 c others flog the crap out of there shit
stop arguing about it and get on with 4x4ing
i like 2 c both sides of it slow technical crawling and i love 2 c others flog the crap out of there shit
stop arguing about it and get on with 4x4ing
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two rite hypo wheelin is wheelin in any form .hypolux wrote:this dont sound like rock crawling or drag racing it sounds like a bunch of people argueing about shiat.
i like 2 c both sides of it slow technical crawling and i love 2 c others flog the crap out of there shit
stop arguing about it and get on with 4x4ing
i agree with pos and strangerover. rockcrawling is a 'motorsport' event. just like nascar/f1/indy/supercars/nations cup etc. ......and like these events, people go to see crazy shiat and more importantly CRASHES AND CARNAGE!
everyone wants to see other people smash their own stuff, like a good roll off a dropoff, or the v8's giving each other a tap going into a corner and putting it into the wall.........think of nascar.......its boring as batsh*t, but the crashes are spectacular and thats what a lot of the crowd goes to see.
as for the video, of course its all gonna be full throttle stuff. its designed to get people pumped up for the event and want to check it out. when i come back from an event and make a video up, i only ever include the full throttle, wheels up action (like my last xrcc vid where POS was giving his buggy hell when he got hung up)..............cause nobody wants to watch a rig do a 8 point turn, then hit the cone anyway.
so quit ya bitchen, ya can come up and watch the guys drive (or at least attempt to) drive up vertical faces, and drop off huge ledges...............or sit around and watch a patrol with 10inches of lift drive into a boghole and spin till it gets towed out.............i know which one i've rather see and what makes for better spectating 
everyone wants to see other people smash their own stuff, like a good roll off a dropoff, or the v8's giving each other a tap going into a corner and putting it into the wall.........think of nascar.......its boring as batsh*t, but the crashes are spectacular and thats what a lot of the crowd goes to see.
as for the video, of course its all gonna be full throttle stuff. its designed to get people pumped up for the event and want to check it out. when i come back from an event and make a video up, i only ever include the full throttle, wheels up action (like my last xrcc vid where POS was giving his buggy hell when he got hung up)..............cause nobody wants to watch a rig do a 8 point turn, then hit the cone anyway.
so quit ya bitchen, ya can come up and watch the guys drive (or at least attempt to) drive up vertical faces, and drop off huge ledges...............or sit around and watch a patrol with 10inches of lift drive into a boghole and spin till it gets towed out.............i know which one i've rather see and what makes for better spectating
hypolux wrote:this dont sound like rock crawling or drag racing it sounds like a bunch of people argueing about shiat.
i like 2 c both sides of it slow technical crawling and i love 2 c others flog the crap out of there shit
stop arguing about it and get on with 4x4ing
Ben,
I don't think this is Shiat!
I think its great we can get all different views of what people see as rock crawling!
On that note i will also have handouts for the spectators to put down there VIEWS of the weekend at PUOSU and what they liked and what the disliked, what they want more of and what they want less of, so i don't think this subject is as silly as what you make out!!
I think that everyone should wait until they have attended the event and seen what the event was like, then give feedback.
Judging from a 2 minute video when the event will be 2 days of action is pretty premature.
I have no doubts that this will be the best even of it's kind in Australia to date, and I wish I could go. But I hope the events is still going strong in 2 years time when I am back in OZ.
Judging from a 2 minute video when the event will be 2 days of action is pretty premature.
I have no doubts that this will be the best even of it's kind in Australia to date, and I wish I could go. But I hope the events is still going strong in 2 years time when I am back in OZ.
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RUFF wrote:Beally STFU Your becoming a real PITA.
I was there for some of last weekend; don't believe the video reflected the planning & concentration required for the sections planned for the event but made a great video!
As a Nissan with lift driver, I copped some shiat, but was impressed to see the care & thought that POS & Mogrover (&others) have put into this event. After 30 years of involvement in organising & promoting motorsport, I thought I would need to get involved to protect the Park owner, but nothing could be further from the truth.
Outerlimits guys impressed me as people who cared about our sport & who are determined to take it to a level not reached before in this country.
Safety for Speccies & drivers was the main criteria all day.
I look forward to being involved with professionals!
As a Nissan with lift driver, I copped some shiat, but was impressed to see the care & thought that POS & Mogrover (&others) have put into this event. After 30 years of involvement in organising & promoting motorsport, I thought I would need to get involved to protect the Park owner, but nothing could be further from the truth.
Outerlimits guys impressed me as people who cared about our sport & who are determined to take it to a level not reached before in this country.
Safety for Speccies & drivers was the main criteria all day.
I look forward to being involved with professionals!
Some may note from previous XRCC rounds, that the only thing that overshadows the freindly competitive nature provided by 'all' the outerlimits boys is there unwaivering concern for safety towards both fellow competitors and spectators. In the few years i have been both driving and competing as a group with these boys there has never been a safety related incident, I have been at comps where we have come to a stop in the middle of a run (and wearing the penalty) so as to 'enlighten' an official as to removing spectators off the course or to a clear area, as we are about to throttle over an object and may dislodge a rock that could cause injury.
This comp will undoubtedly combine all aspects of rockcrawling, and yes "wheel speed" may be required on some, but only a few sections. The whole idea of Beebee driving the courses was to prove that HP is not the only prerequisite to being competitive, as with all events of this calibre it will require a well setup vehicle and an extremely coherent driver and spotter combination.
Personally i look forward to competing with/against a large range of competitive rigs and as for the rest do as the title implies "PUT UP OR SHUT UP"
This is such a piss poor attitude, there is no excuses, Beebee has driven his stock hilux to every event we could enter this year so far, Wheeled the crap out of it!, then driven it home. Even as a near stocker compared to many others he has at least had the guts to give it a go, and yes sometime it has suprised a few people and been competitive.
PU or SU
This comp will undoubtedly combine all aspects of rockcrawling, and yes "wheel speed" may be required on some, but only a few sections. The whole idea of Beebee driving the courses was to prove that HP is not the only prerequisite to being competitive, as with all events of this calibre it will require a well setup vehicle and an extremely coherent driver and spotter combination.
Personally i look forward to competing with/against a large range of competitive rigs and as for the rest do as the title implies "PUT UP OR SHUT UP"
dont worry i would be up there competing to if i didnt have to drive my zuk up there and drive it home then to work the next day
This is such a piss poor attitude, there is no excuses, Beebee has driven his stock hilux to every event we could enter this year so far, Wheeled the crap out of it!, then driven it home. Even as a near stocker compared to many others he has at least had the guts to give it a go, and yes sometime it has suprised a few people and been competitive.
PU or SU
at the risk of putting in yet another opinion that isn't needed, i would like to say my little piece 
there is maybe one or two ledges in the video that could be crawled. the rest of them need wheelspeed and inertia to drag the belly over. unless you had like 1 metre of belly clearance, but then you'd be lucky to even get the front wheels up before falling over
you blokes have done an awesome job getting all this together, i know how much work is involved as we have been trying to scratch a similar deal together down here for over a year. it is a massive task, and everyone is always coming forward with ideas and telling you what you should do, and what would work well, but people prepared to put the time and effort into productive work to get the thing going are few and far between.
i really wanted to compete in this comp, but i just can't get the time away from work to drag my jalopy up there and back, and seeing that video just rubs salt into the wound. so i'll have to be content with flying up to have a look, and drinking a lot of beer.
anyway, well done fellas...
there is maybe one or two ledges in the video that could be crawled. the rest of them need wheelspeed and inertia to drag the belly over. unless you had like 1 metre of belly clearance, but then you'd be lucky to even get the front wheels up before falling over
you blokes have done an awesome job getting all this together, i know how much work is involved as we have been trying to scratch a similar deal together down here for over a year. it is a massive task, and everyone is always coming forward with ideas and telling you what you should do, and what would work well, but people prepared to put the time and effort into productive work to get the thing going are few and far between.
i really wanted to compete in this comp, but i just can't get the time away from work to drag my jalopy up there and back, and seeing that video just rubs salt into the wound. so i'll have to be content with flying up to have a look, and drinking a lot of beer.
anyway, well done fellas...
1MadEngineer wrote:dont worry i would be up there competing to if i didnt have to drive my zuk up there and drive it home then to work the next day
This is such a piss poor attitude, there is no excuses, Beebee has driven his stock hilux to every event we could enter this year so far, Wheeled the crap out of it!, then driven it home. Even as a near stocker compared to many others he has at least had the guts to give it a go, and yes sometime it has suprised a few people and been competitive.
how far does beebee live from the events?
how far does beebee live from the events?
apart from LCMP 2hrs
rover park 4hrs min
manar-Qrock 6hrs
ok you win but not by much,and as i said we are trying to enter every event we can!
we are really keen to run Nissan trials / Woodpecker but gotta find a team who will have us?
So when can we expect to recieve your entry?
I will however take any offers for vehicle transport
Driving to and from is a biatch but for me it's either that, or spectating. And spectating is too frustrating. I want to drive. Hell, I want to win - but I can't see that happening again. But now I've got the bug and I'll be at every event I can get to. Sure it's not for everyone but once you try it, you'll be hooked.
So who else will be putting up?
Driving to and from is a biatch but for me it's either that, or spectating. And spectating is too frustrating. I want to drive. Hell, I want to win - but I can't see that happening again. But now I've got the bug and I'll be at every event I can get to. Sure it's not for everyone but once you try it, you'll be hooked.
So who else will be putting up?
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