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Post by pjhsv »

Rocky road sell conversion kits for YJ Wrangler springs to go into zook's, has anyone here done anything like this? Any idea if it's a good swap?
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Post by greg »

I believe the YJ spring conversion is effectively running a "chassis extension" type setup with some longer leaf springs in the front in order to achieve more travel in the front end.

I'm not running YJ springs, but i am running Old Man Emu Rear springs at the front with an extended chassis and i love it.

Perhaps this goes part of the way towards answering your question?

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Post by skippy »

the YJ springs are the same as hilux fronts.

are you wanting to run their standard kit or shackle reversal?


I've got some laser cut bits of steel to the mod in shackle reversal. but I'm going to hold out until the end of the year to do it.

in my opinion it's a great mod.

I'll post some pics of what sort of flex you can get from it (courtesy of geoff).
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Post by Guy »

The biggest problem I can see with the YJs is the scarcity of the springs ..

(second hand ones are going for stupid prices) I have a set of wagoneer springs that I want to try out.. apparently they flex as well as the YJ's but do not suffer from anywhere near the wrap issues ..

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Post by spazbot »

you got a set of front waggys ???

if you dont use them i will
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Post by Guy »

I got two .. for front and rear .. :cool:

$200 .. place in Qld ( dont recall name sorry) and $40 shipping.

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Post by skippy »

as I said the springs are the same as hilux fronts. now these springs are very common.

been looking at doing this mod for well over a year now. just never had the time nor drive to do it.

here are the pics promised.
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front travel aint bad for a spook with leaf springs.
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Post by mike »

skippy wrote:the YJ springs are the same as hilux fronts.


Damn I wish I'd known that earlier, I'd abandoned this idea due to the scarcity of the springs here. The mod also apparently slightly reduces approach angle.

Do the luxy springs have the same spring rates as well, or are they just the same physical size?
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Post by skippy »

not sure about spring rates mate. but you could play with the pack to get it how you want it. physically they are the same size or very fawkin close.

the approach angle from the CSC(or sumo) s/r yj kit doesn't reduce the approach angle, as you no longer have a shackle hangle down at the front.
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Post by mike »

Been a while since I looked at it. I thought that the bolt on mount at the front actually stuck out a bit further. I also had a bugger of a time getting responses to e-mails from CSC.
Hmmm may have to revisit this idea :cool:
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Post by mike »

BTW review of the CSC kit here:

http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/reviews/cssuspension.htm

Just tried their web site
http://www.canyonstatecomponents.com/

and it redirects to a search engine
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Post by Liam »

I have CJ7 jeep springs in the rear, ome +2 inch sierra rears in the front, both required the mounts to be moved. Flex is pretty good. 6.129 transfer case plus 5.89 diff gears gives it plenty of spring wrap/ axle tramp under load though.
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Post by RUFF »

spazbot wrote:you got a set of front waggys ???

if you dont use them i will


I have a set of front Waggys here im not using.
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Post by grimbo »

I'm pretty sure the csc stuff isn't being built any more. fred has closed up shop.
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Post by Ferwoaza »

skippy wrote:the YJ springs are the same as hilux fronts.


Length is the same but hilux fronts have an offset center so the axle will be in a different location compared to using YJ springs.

Get some 1" - 1.5" lifted YJ springs from OME...you'll be suprised how cheap they are..
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Post by grimbo »

how do the widths of hilux, yj and waggy springs compare to zuk ones. Because if they are wider this will involve making spring mounts and spring plates.
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Post by Ferwoaza »

YJ's are 2.5" wide, so 0.5" wider than zook. This is why people were originally going CJ springs (same width).

Yep, you need to adjust for the width, these kits do it with bolt on mounts and shackles that are different widths at each end.
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Post by Ferwoaza »

Trail Tough have the most popular YJ conversion kit in the US

http://www.trailtough.com/suspension1.htm

You can request no front drop shackle if you want to keep it legal.
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Post by zooker »

What width are the wagoneer springs, and whats the spring rate like on them?
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Post by skippy »

asian auto parts of arizona have a kit that most people in the states are fabbing up themselves.

it's the shackle reversal kit. the trail tough kit isn't s/r.

http://www.asianautopartsofaz.com/
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Post by Ferwoaza »

Personally, I'd rather stay away from a SR on a SWB vehicle, easier to engineer as well..just my 2cents :)
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Post by camskizook »

The only thing i have ever seen written about them being bad is because of them causing brake dive...but not having ever driven one i wouldnt be able to comment
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Post by Ferwoaza »

Also read about them hanging up when trying to reverse of ledges... :?
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Post by zookjedi »

seen a zook with a shackle reversal kit here in canberra looks good standing there but id say the llllong front mount will get caught way before a standard shackle would, and thediff angle was standard i thinks he best get shares in the uni joint factory angles were to extreme, also even with drive shaft spacers he has experienced the shaft slipping out while going over logs & or rocks !
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