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Trail Creeper 6.5:1 Gears

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Trail Creeper 6.5:1 Gears

Post by basketcase »

Has anyone heard much about these 6.5 gears or the quaility of Trail Gear products in general??

I know one of the main guys defected from Marlin a couple of years ago to start Trail Gear up.

Just sold my dual cases from the hilux and I'm looking for gearing to put in my new zuk. The price seems to good to pass up.
http://www.trail-gear.com/zuk-tcasegears.html
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Post by ofr57 »

sounds good but 2 things came to mind
A) its in the states so its abit dearer than 400 bucks
B) it say you must do alittle grinding for it to fit properly which doesn't sound good
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Post by basketcase »

ofr57 wrote:sounds good but 2 things came to mind
A) its in the states so its abit dearer than 400 bucks
B) it say you must do alittle grinding for it to fit properly which doesn't sound good
I understand its in US dollars, considering its a US site and company :roll: . I am not that retarted.

Pretty sure most ultra low ratio transfer gears like trail tough 6.4's and calmini 6.5's need grinding of the case as well. Even Rockhopper need it but I wouldn't even consider getting them because of price and previous breakage issues.
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Post by ofr57 »

well thats out of the way
go for it
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Post by Zute »

Calmini 4.16 Rockcrawler gears ,$789.00 AUS inc fedex.
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Post by Bad JuJu »

Zute wrote:Calmini 4.16 Rockcrawler gears ,$789.00 AUS inc fedex.
So you've got gears now ?? :armsup:
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Re: Trail Creeper 6.5:1 Gears

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Re: Trail Creeper 6.5:1 Gears

Post by basketcase »

Zute wrote:Calmini 4.16 Rockcrawler gears ,$789.00 AUS inc fedex.
I'll be getting Calmini if these turn out to be duds.
askmwc wrote:
basketcase wrote:The price seems to good to pass up.
http://www.trail-gear.com/zuk-tcasegears.html
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/samdrivetrain.htm
Seen that from the thread on pirate. Just want to see if anyone has had experince them here in oz.

So no one has heard anything about thses yet?? Spose its to soon.
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Post by suzuki boy »

I havn't heard of them before!

They sound cheap but i havn't heard of grinding to get reduction gears in before!

When were you looking at getting them? I'll send you a PM!
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Re: Trail Creeper 6.5:1 Gears

Post by redzook »

basketcase wrote:
Zute wrote:Calmini 4.16 Rockcrawler gears ,$789.00 AUS inc fedex.
I'll be getting Calmini if these turn out to be duds.
askmwc wrote:
basketcase wrote:The price seems to good to pass up.
http://www.trail-gear.com/zuk-tcasegears.html
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/samdrivetrain.htm
Seen that from the thread on pirate. Just want to see if anyone has had experince them here in oz.

So no one has heard anything about thses yet?? Spose its to soon.
they have only just been released

id say they would be equal strength to most of the other gears as there probally made in the same places
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Post by sanger »

Ive got 6.5:1 RH and the casing was grinded to fit the larger gears. They have been used a couple of times so far and they have performed really well.
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Post by DiddyZook »

When you look at the instructions for fitting Calmini they actually state that some (not all, some) transfer cases may need some minor grinding (dremel).

Does this mean that some cases have more internal clearance than others? Is there any rule of thumb to indicate which ones won't need grinding?

These new TrailGear ones certainly sound good by the ad, seem to have all the right bits etc and may be a great product at a great price. I hope they are good and inject some price competition, but I would hate to be buying version 1.0 before any bugs are fixed or find out that cheaper steel means shorter life etc etc There are already a few unhappy ex-Rock Hopper owners out there.
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Post by nicbeer »

Whats the warranty like i wonder?

emailed them for quote and ask.

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Post by markil »

I've got the calmini 6.5:1 gears and had to do some grinding to fit them. Have been good for a good year of abuse :)
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Post by nicbeer »

mmm (not the best email back regarding products)

I asked

Hi,
Could I please get a cost for shipping in either AUD or USD for the

Samurai 6.5 T-Case Gear Kit, $499, 105004-3-K to below address.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Also, what is the warranty on these?

Answer =
Over $100
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Post by Pep »

nicbeer wrote:mmm (not the best email back regarding products)

I asked

Hi,
Could I please get a cost for shipping in either AUD or USD for the

Samurai 6.5 T-Case Gear Kit, $499, 105004-3-K to below address.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Also, what is the warranty on these?

Answer =
Over $100
That's because you asked the question in Australian
you should write back in American (Dem's not real bright Ya No) :silly: :silly:
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Post by DiddyZook »

Over $100 is not incorrect. (bloody useless but not incorrect)

They may not have sent any to Australia yet. Ballpark Calmini gears from US are between $110-150 AUD by FedEX depending on where in Aus you are and the current exchange rate (currently not bad at 78+ cents in the USD)
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Post by nicbeer »

yeh i thought around that figure, just thought i would get a bit more back than two words.

Thx for the calmini info.

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Post by suzuki boy »

I'd say there covering there ass because they havn't sent them out there before!

What would they be worth landed here if delivery was about $150? Could be worth getting some!
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Post by DiddyZook »

suzuki boy
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:47 am

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I'd say there covering there ass because they havn't sent them out there before!

What would they be worth landed here if delivery was about $150? Could be worth getting some!
Approx $640 plus freight bargain on under $800

If ever you want to check AUD USD comparison just go to Rocky Road website and use the currency converter. Or any other currency converter out there.

Or if you watch the news and hear them saying that the Aussie Dollar is worth/buys 78.3 US cents etc Then take the USD price $500 divide that by the value of an Aussie dollar (78.3 cents) whicvh in this case equals 6.386, then multiply by 100 (cents in a dollar), equals $638.57 Aussie dollars. Bear in mind that this price can vary slightly day to day based on the exchange rate. Some poor buggers on here bought stuff a few years ago when our dollar was only worth 55c US.

Enough of a maths lesson :lol:
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Post by suzuki boy »

Fair enough! Havn't had a mathes lesson like that sence i left school 6 months ago!

Do you think that they would give a discount if we brought in a few sets? I know 1 of my matse would be interested in some!

Just a thought!
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Post by DiddyZook »

Do you think that they would give a discount if we brought in a few sets? I know 1 of my matse would be interested in some!
They may give a discount. BUT

It would have to a big discount to over come the GST and possibly Import Duty such an order would attract.

When you buy single units with a value under $1000 (including Freight) customs just let it through. Over $1000 then the tax man gets his cut.

We have a free trade agreement with the US so if the vendor clearly marks the goods as product of USA then no problems. Once again under $1000 this is often overlooked.

If these guys have not previously sent goods to Australia they may not supply the correct documentation to customs, then you have to chase for the refund. Import duty for 4wd vehicle parts should be 5%.

But having said all this if you import a single unit neither GST or Import duties would apply.
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Post by suzuki boy »

Fair enough that makes sence!

What about calmini gears or is it still the same even though they have sent here before? Is it all based on the $1000 thing?

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Post by DiddyZook »

Same deal regardless of manufacturer. If the goods are not a product of USA (eg cheap chinese import to USA) then full import duty will apply. The manufacturer needs to be able to make the declaration that the goods are of USA origin, it is not worth it to them to make a false declaration.

It should not be a big deal but very worthwhile knowing before you go and try to save by bulk buying or combining to save on freight (eg gears, lockers etc which then value > $1000) unless you are looking at a very big shipment or can pass on the GST etc.

With the way the world is nowadays with the internet and all it is sometimes even easier to buy overseas than interstate.
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Post by suzuki boy »

Yeah thats true!

Thanks for that! I say NO to small bulk buying!
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Post by DiddyZook »

The customs declaration completed by the vendor attributes a value (either USD or AUD) customs then look at everything over $1000 AUD. And yes there have been cases where people have ordered goods which would have been $999 for instance and through the fluctuation of the exchange rate have then been slugged with $100 worth of GST.

I have had to pay import tariffs to get stuff through customs and then chase the paperwork later, didn't lose money but the waiting to get money back has a bitch factor.

If you import something under $1000AUD total value then there should be absolutely no problems.
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Post by nicbeer »

Any more news on these?

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Post by basketcase »

I am still undecided. The price is right but I think its going to be to low me at the momment. I'll decide when I get the full payment for my duals and have the cash to spend.
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Post by Low Range »

Hello,
Noticed the thread and thought I would bring it back up to the top.
My Name is Sean and I run Low Range Off-Road.

I can help you out with any Shipping costs you may need. I ship UPS, Fedex, DHL, and Postal Global Express out of the states.

As far as the 6.5:1 gears, they are a good product and we have sold a good number of them. They have been tested out by the guys at Trail-Gear for at least 6 months now and withstood the test they have put them through. You can see the first Samurai they went into on their site forums here: http://www.trail-gear.com/vbulletin/sho ... php?t=1709

Let me know if I can ever help you out with pricing and I am smart enough to even convert it if you need ( http://www.xe.com/ucc/ )

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Post by nicbeer »

Hey Sean, good to see you onboard.

Whats the warranty on these and also approx shipping to Perth WA, postcode 6065.

Thanks
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